2 stroke outboards banned

Ahh but BUT.

TWC-III is used in tiny proportions and 95% gets burned away.

How much 4 stroke lube gets spilled externally, decants into cylinders and gets emmitted through the exhaust, or doesn't get disposed of responsibly?
 
Brendan dearie, font of all oriclefonces, I do not have a "need to post on here", we can just get on with our boating in Plymouth, we are there now. The whole marina is full of signs saying last chance to get a 2 stroke outboard, plus MBY also said they are banned. Maybe there is some environmental procedure, but no one, including the manager of the chandler here is aware of any.

I'm very pleased to hear that there are light non spillable 4 strokes, if so again I'm delighted. But have also been told again by the chandler & engineers here there aren't, so that's to be explored. Big thanks to those who replied advising they have & use them well. Is there a big price difference ? Before all this we were considering replacing (now) our 18 yr old 2 stroke.

By the way Brendan exactly when did you go out on your boat, if you still have it ?
 
I don't know how 2 stroke an outboard, but I can be started with a gentle tug, especially after a mixture of scotch & water.
 
In an effort to pour oil on troubled waters - presumably you can do that metaphorically only these days - I remember, from one of the threads which got me started on this forum, a description of one of my favourite images: dad swinging away at the rope pull on a seagull while the kids cower at the front trying to avoid the whiplash. Happy days.
 
Fear of Seagull whiplash?

If your Seagull doesn't start 2nd pull, you need to service it! And many of the more recent(?) ones like my Featherweight have recoil starters.

Seagulls are like old Fords (pre-electronics Fords anyway) they are such reliable items that they were often left completely unserviced for years until, eventually, the neglect simply overcame them.

Using a Seagull is like driving a vintage car. The noise, smell and vibration are part of the overall experience. If you really want to be environmentally friendly, Recycle & Re-use before you replace! The vast majority of the eco footprint of any engine is in its manufacture so cut down on the manufacture of new items - it is as simple as that! Unfortunately this is not good news for the manufacturers!
 
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The whole marina is full of signs saying last chance to get a 2 stroke outboard, plus MBY also said they are banned.

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just enjoy your boating.............

one of the most bizarre threads I have seen - although I have to admit to having more sympathy for Brendans stated view point than many other earlier posters.

particularily disappointed with the mags for more journalistic than informative articles.. no change there then...............

on the topic why hasn;t anyone mentioned the volvo KAD range of diesels, or the impeding Yanmar changes to comply etc etc

so much room for constructive facts - as BrendanS suggests
 
Re: Fear of Seagull whiplash?

My experience of Seagulls is that the only aspect you can rely on is that it will require servicing every time you need it.

I still have the image firmly implanted in my brain of my mate motoring down the inner harbour in Cherbourg, with a dinghy load of Sail Training kids, frantially trying to blow out the flames that were eminating from the "reliable" Seagull.

With regards to whiplash, my daughter still tells of the time when I tried to knock her teeth out, with my elbow, when starting a more reliable Mariner 2 stroke. Ah, happy days.

Me, I hate the bloody things. Give me a modern 4 stroke any time.

I would also dispute the rubbish being quoted here like fact regarding the time spent replacing crankcase oil versus mixing 2stroke oil with petrol. Of course that is not really the point anyway. Its a matter of convenience. Is it easier to replace the crankcase oil, at the end of the season, on dry land. Or to mix Oil & Petrol when in the middle of nowhere because you couldn't get any Petrol or Oil from the Marina so you've had to hike to a Garage five miles from where you're moored.

Martin
 
Re: Fear of Seagull whiplash?

Statistics from 2006 for my 1972 Forty Plus:

First pull - 3 times
Third pull - 5 times
Fifth pull - once

All other occasions - second pull.

Failure to start - 0

Stops once started - 0

Servicing - changed gearbox oil twice.
 
I love the way that anytime Haydn or his alter ego are losing an arguement, they resort to implying I've got rid of my boat, even when I've told Haydn outright on here that that is not true.

They still try to perpetuate the myth, which just antagonises me. So to me, they are fair game.
 
>They still try to perpetuate the myth, which just antagonises me.

And you think this is not deliberate?

"Hey mom, look what happens when I push this button..."

dv.
 
Sticking to the facts, and sticking with the 2/3 hp size. There is in reality not much difference in weight, there is however a a big difference in the size of the pwer head, all the 4 strokes are bigger than the 2 strokes. As far as emissions go it is of course true that the 4 stroke emits less contaminants into the atmosphere that the 2-strokes at this Hp ( not true for large 2 Strokes), but the amount is miniscule. How many of the 4 stroke eco friendly contibutors drive a 3 litre plus car to the boat, this emits far more pollutants that the 15 minute ride in the dinghy with a 2 stroke. or indeed using a seagull. The seagulls are great engines, will last for ever, I love them but the fact is that running at 25 to 1 they pollute more but less per year than the 4x4 gas guzzler on the school run.
 
I couldn't give a chuff about carbon emmissions.
I like a reliable motor that pushes my little sailboat along quietly and I just pour some fuel from my lawnmower can into.
Yamaha 4 Stroke does it for me.
 
The Green side of the argument is irrelevant to me. I couldn't give a toss what the emmisions are. The 4 stroke is just more reliable eaisier engine to use.

Let it be known that I hate Seagulls with a passion. I have said before " The reason people always say the Seagulls are great & easy to repair is because you have to fix them every time you need them."

Last year I had to replace the engine in my 26 footer. This entailed delivering the boat to the engineer for the work to be done. The last part of the journey required that I strap my flubber alongside the boat & use my 4 stroke Honda to power the boat up-river acouple of miles. The Honda pushed the 26 footer & flubber along at 3.5 knots with ease.

The simple availablity of fuel plus the reliability of the 4 stroke is what sells them to me. Good riddance to Seagulls.

It seems to me that those, stick in the muds, who demand 2 strokes at all cost just haven't though the thing through prroperly. The 4 stroke is far superior!

Martin
 
Not for small tenders where you're lifting them on and off each time they're not.

My Merc 2-stroke 5hp weighs 19Kg, and is about the limit of what I'd want to lift on and off without my back going "sproing". The Merc 4-stroke 5hp is 25Kg!

Even a Yamaha 4-stroke 4hp is 22kg. The 6hp is a back busting and tender tipping 37Kg.

Bottom line, 4-strokes are just too heavy unless you have a tiny putt putt or a monster on davits.

dv.
 
Well it would seem that you're just Power Crazy.

My 2HP 4 stroke pushes my Flubber along at pretty my the same speed as its predecessor, a Mariner 4HP 2 stroke& its lighter, which is more than can be said for me. How fast do you need a tender to go?

Martin
 
With one (16-stone) person on board, it will plane!

And that's a 2.4m slatted floor inflatable.

Mostly used in putt putt mode for transporting family and picnics to beach, or pottering up creeks etc, but being able to have a quick blast at 10kts or so is heaps of fun!

dv.
 
Seagulls ...... I have had quite a number of these and every single one was reliable, never let me down even when dunked ... In fact as far as I know each and every one of them I sold on is still performing well.
I never serviced them, never even changed a prop spring or pin.
All mine were the older rope start jobs and not recoil.

I would have another tomorrow without hesitation.

4st's ..... seems a waste of effort really .... I have 3 2st's here and they will last me well such I shall not need to buy another ...

As to a dinghy alongside a boat and shoving it up river ... even a Seagull can do that ... might take a while to build up some speed ... but it will ....
 
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