14 boats to see at SIBS

mrming said:
+1 to that as the owner of a 23 footer on a swinging mooring. I sail what I can afford at the moment. It's all paid for and I don't have to wait till I'm an old fart.
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+1 I do run a business and I do hope for a golden retirement. Meantime I'm not well off by any means. 5 kids, 2 currently at Uni. Mortgage etc and so no real spare money. But a 3k boat, four years of hard work at the weekends and I'm living the classic boat dream.
 
The great thing about sailing is that on a good sailng day the smile on the face of the owner of a 40 yr old small boat is as big as that of the owner of a new 67' Oyster!

We have had as much fun racing our 16' Wayfarer as we have cruising on our 43' Deck Saloon

However big or expensive your boat is there is always someone with a bigger and more expensive one but that does not necessarily mean more pleasure.

In my case while many were enjoying life I did a 4yr degree as a 25yr old student then married with 2 children. It was not easy but it paid off financially in the long term and a long way from my skint upbringing in a prefab house in Peckham with a single mum!
 
roblpm said:
I don't think many people do. Though I think you can afford a boat if you want one. A few grand for an Anderson 22 and a swinging mooring?

I think the other replies to your point/question are a bit disingenuous.

There is a generation who have done extremely well out of untaxed property appreciation and final salary pensions the likes of which will never be seen again.

If you eliminate:

a) Inherited money
b) Equity withdrawal from unearned property appreciation
c) Generous final salary pensions

You will be left with a very small number of people who either earn 200k plus (I am assuming 5k a month after tax to be able to pay a 300k marine mortgage and berthing costs) or have genuinely built and sold a business.

I will be able to afford a reasonably expensive boat sooner or later but I would never come on here and claim that it is easy for anyone to get a high enough paying job to buy a 300k boat without a leg up in life.
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thats what i thought to be honest. I do have an Intro 22 on a swing mooring. its a fun but very old boat. i love it but i cannot stand up in it. only cost 2k.

but i dream of a larger yacht. cannot afford even 5k on one though,i got made redundant 1 year ago, then have been through two different jobs. people that have retired and have work pensions like those who had worked for the likes of say BT seem to be very comfortable. not many jobs offer pensions now and daily living/commuting cost is high. Im 40 next year. :(
 
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I though the Sirius 40 was bigger on the inside, but the comment was lost on the German sitting at the table. What an amazing boat, it is a shame it is so ugly. They need a designer to work on the lines but meet the interior the same. I do wonder what it sails like though it seems that the DS will seriously compromise the size of the mainsail.

Boat of the show for me was the Rustler 37. I loved the colour of the oak, the colour of the oak in the GT35 was not to my liking, too light. I though the GT has a good modern feel, however there are some layout issues that they will need to address. I really think this boat has potential but I would not buy one today. I think that Conrad is a smart cookie and I get the impression he knows what he needs to change.

I am now saving for the R37.
 
Have just got back from the show, having gone there on a free ticket and have to say...........................meh!

The sailboats all look the bloody same, the freeboard on some of them was rediculously high, i think if you went over the side on one of the larger Hanse' you'd be well and truly screwed. I reckon you could peel the make and model decals off of every sailboat on that pontoon and you'd be hard pressed to name any of them, same with the powerboats.

How has yacht design got this boring? Have we reached the same point as automotive design where indistinguishability is the norm?, i should say apart from the handful of retro designs, (and thats not exactly praise is it?), it just all looked dull.

Interesting to see the swarm of people around the PBO boat, shows where people are at?

Saw the GT35 parked next to i think a hanse or something white and looked utterly forgettable, The Solaris was eye-catching in the blue metallic; that was the only boat that stuck in my head, other than that i did the show in just over an hour. A good proportion of staff on the stands looked as dis-interested as i was, i haven't been to SIBS in a few years and it felt smaller although for a Monday there was a fair amount of people about.

Think i'll leave it for another few years................................
 
snooks said:
I thought that while the pogo no doubt sails like a witch when she's light it I want to go cruising (as I would) then I would need to load up with a bit of clobber, this will have a greater effect than it would on something like the Winner. On the hand also have a bit of comfort. I didn't feel the interior wasn't much to write home about either.
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Fairy Nuff!

Now, what was the name/pedigree of the ~9m. VERY RED racy boat on/around pontoon M026 ....?
 
A good proportion of staff on the stands looked as dis-interested as i was, i haven't been to SIBS in a few years and it felt smaller although for a Monday there was a fair amount of people about.

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Probably bored because no one is buying new boats.
 
Went with the main intention of getting as much free drink out of MDL as possible. Solaris was the one for me. Most of the production boats seem to go to the same ikea factory
 
I really liked Impusive by Cockwells. She was one of only three boats I stepped foot on. She's like a stunning piece of wooden furniture. The others were the Clipper RTWC boat, and the PBO project boat. They'd done a really nice job.
 
rogerball0 said:
Have just got back from the show, having gone there on a free ticket and have to say...........................meh!

The sailboats all look the bloody same, the freeboard on some of them was rediculously high, i think if you went over the side on one of the larger Hanse' you'd be well and truly screwed. I reckon you could peel the make and model decals off of every sailboat on that pontoon and you'd be hard pressed to name any of them, same with the powerboats.

How has yacht design got this boring? Have we reached the same point as automotive design where indistinguishability is the norm?, i should say apart from the handful of retro designs, (and thats not exactly praise is it?), it just all looked dull.

Interesting to see the swarm of people around the PBO boat, shows where people are at?

Saw the GT35 parked next to i think a hanse or something white and looked utterly forgettable, The Solaris was eye-catching in the blue metallic; that was the only boat that stuck in my head, other than that i did the show in just over an hour. A good proportion of staff on the stands looked as dis-interested as i was, i haven't been to SIBS in a few years and it felt smaller although for a Monday there was a fair amount of people about.

Think i'll leave it for another few years................................
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Are you sure you went to the Southampton show? I spent over 7 hours there & didn't even enter the halls, saw more innovations on boats this year than ever before, some good & some rubbish, thought it was a good show & could easily have spent another day there. :cool:
 
You inevitably need 2 days. The second is after you've been back to your boat to measure all the things you need to measure to see whether that thing you didn't realise you needed when you went the first day will fit.

Yesterday for the first time at a boat show I signed up for one of the activities: An hour's spinnaker handling thingy on on sunsail first 40. From a recent PBO thread some of you will be aware that I'm currently very interested in how people rig their spinnakers. In theory very worthwhile although just my luck: not a breath of air and the kite wasn't brought out.
 
i got a spinnaker with my boat and the pole. used it once. never used a spinnaker before. but unsure how to quickly swap sides and how to properly rig it all. a course is a great idea
 
doris said:
Sirius 40 my boat of the show. Utterly outstanding. Followed by the RM 1260.
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Yes I liked it until I asked the price - £400k but loaded it can go to £500k

The Jeanneau 44DS (albeit in a different class of boat eg AWB) was £200k loaded £250k.

Its the old Halberg Rassy question - if you can afford one do you buy the cheaper AWB and earn interest on the other £250k.

The reality is that the only reason to spend so much money - is because you can!
 
Sailfree said:
Yes I liked it until I asked the price - £400k but loaded it can go to £500k

The Jeanneau 44DS (albeit in a different class of boat eg AWB) was £200k loaded £250k.
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That'll answer your question.....I'm sure any boat mfg will help you spend whatever money you have, be it 50, 100 or 200k over the asking price...compare spec for spec, winches for winches, sails for sails...and surprise surprise you get what you pay for :0)

Sailfree said:
Its the old Halberg Rassy question - if you can afford one do you buy the cheaper AWB and earn interest on the other £250k.

The reality is that the only reason to spend so much money - is because you can!
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If you were trying to earn money you wouldn't buy a boat at all. ;)
 
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