bluedragon
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On reflection, bimbos or no bimbos, at least the YBW stand was there (unlike some other organisations!!).
04/12: Earls Court - The Good, the Bad & the Ugly
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Koeketiene
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That's true - but you're left with a feeling that it was more a compulsory number. They could not afford to not be there - but their heart wasn't really in it.
I've been to their stands before (always seem to miss out on the free beer though), and the stands have always been more welcoming.
The young lady this morning was nice and friendly enough - when I picked up PBO for a quid she offered me a plastic bag /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif and a couple of pens to go with it. And she did have a nice smile.
I've been to their stands before (always seem to miss out on the free beer though), and the stands have always been more welcoming.
The young lady this morning was nice and friendly enough - when I picked up PBO for a quid she offered me a plastic bag /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif and a couple of pens to go with it. And she did have a nice smile.
Koeketiene
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Anything to give those arrogant, self-serving BMF b*st*rds a bloody nose.
I am no fan of the BMIF or NBS but this is a little strong - what exactly have the BMIF done to you?
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To steal a quote from Twister Ken in another thread
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Sad truth is the BMF is there on behalf of the trade, not the consumer. Witness their masterly inaction on the Peters Opal affair. We, the consumers, are the enemy, there to be fleeced at every turn.
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Anything to give those arrogant, self-serving BMF b*st*rds a bloody nose.
I am no fan of the BMIF or NBS but this is a little strong - what exactly have the BMIF done to you?
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To steal a quote from Twister Ken in another thread
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Sad truth is the BMF is there on behalf of the trade, not the consumer. Witness their masterly inaction on the Peters Opal affair. We, the consumers, are the enemy, there to be fleeced at every turn.
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chuckaduck
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We are going this sunday at 2.00 pm and are looking forward to meeting a few forumites ie Jez and Gavi amongst others
oh and of course Richard shead btw Richard swmbo drinks wine ( subtle hint )
I am also looking forward to seeing the westline stand as I have followed the story here
oh and of course Richard shead btw Richard swmbo drinks wine ( subtle hint )
I am also looking forward to seeing the westline stand as I have followed the story here
johnalison
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Re: 04/12: Earls Court - The Good, the Bad & the Ugly
I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to have read somewhere that it is illegal to display prices incorrectly. I think you could have quoted the Sale of Goods Act at them and got the halyards at the lower price displayed.
I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to have read somewhere that it is illegal to display prices incorrectly. I think you could have quoted the Sale of Goods Act at them and got the halyards at the lower price displayed.
SailorFrank
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Thats not really an answer - seems you are knocking the BMIF because it is fashionable - as I said I am no fan - but if you are going to have such a strong opinion on a organisation then have a reason.
Edited by Dan Foley – innocent until proven guilty.
Edited by Dan Foley – innocent until proven guilty.
TiggerToo
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.... by the way I nearly go enticed in getting a massage... until I found out that the girls were charging!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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I know - shocking, isn't it?
I had a similar experience once in Bangkok - not only did she charge for the massage, she wanted sex too! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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what? At EC? A quick b**k for the price of two in the back of that J boat...
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.... by the way I nearly go enticed in getting a massage... until I found out that the girls were charging!!!! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
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I know - shocking, isn't it?
I had a similar experience once in Bangkok - not only did she charge for the massage, she wanted sex too! /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif
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what? At EC? A quick b**k for the price of two in the back of that J boat...
ThreeSummers
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Salespeople literally flung themselves at me.
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And that's the way it should be. I'm sick and tired of sales people thinking they are doing us a favour. Its us, the buyers, that keep them in a job.
I went on Sunday and yes, it was quiet, but it gave me the opportunity to have proper conversation with people at the stands that interested me, instead of for example, at LBS in January where I stood for twenty minutes at the (choose a company) stand just trying to find someone free to talk to.
Funnily enough, I was going to go look at the Westlines, but they were busy, and as I'm not buying, felt it was unfair to impose myself on a forumite that has never met me.
On a whole, I think your post is a fair representation of the show, but I wonder if the timing is wrong, three weeks before Christmas and people focussed on that, rather than boating next summer?
Anyway, I do hope that they do it again, as I need at least one boat show fix a year, and LBS is off my list 'cos it's too crowded and feels too snooty.
Regards,
Wobb.
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A visit to the 'Sailing Holidays' stand has the First Mate convinced that two weeks in Greece in 32' yacht is a brilliant idea. Nearly booked there and then!
The show was worth it to me for that!!!
Result!
Salespeople literally flung themselves at me.
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And that's the way it should be. I'm sick and tired of sales people thinking they are doing us a favour. Its us, the buyers, that keep them in a job.
I went on Sunday and yes, it was quiet, but it gave me the opportunity to have proper conversation with people at the stands that interested me, instead of for example, at LBS in January where I stood for twenty minutes at the (choose a company) stand just trying to find someone free to talk to.
Funnily enough, I was going to go look at the Westlines, but they were busy, and as I'm not buying, felt it was unfair to impose myself on a forumite that has never met me.
On a whole, I think your post is a fair representation of the show, but I wonder if the timing is wrong, three weeks before Christmas and people focussed on that, rather than boating next summer?
Anyway, I do hope that they do it again, as I need at least one boat show fix a year, and LBS is off my list 'cos it's too crowded and feels too snooty.
Regards,
Wobb.
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A visit to the 'Sailing Holidays' stand has the First Mate convinced that two weeks in Greece in 32' yacht is a brilliant idea. Nearly booked there and then!
The show was worth it to me for that!!!
Result!
chrisbailey
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Well I had a free beer and my wife had a nice glass of red, thank you very much.
The 2 young ladies on the stand were extremely cheerful and chatty and a credit to YBW.
The 2 young ladies on the stand were extremely cheerful and chatty and a credit to YBW.
bluedragon
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An object lesson to all of us...never judge a book (magazine) by its cover...you gotta go up and ask!! (wish I had). I suppose we're all used to being accosted by the young ladies they normally employ at SBS and not being allowed to leave the stand until we've signed-up for a 10 year sub to Practical Bathtub Owner. Obviously the bimbo-free, low key approach at EC threw many of us off balance!! We'll know next time... /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
stevebrassett
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Re: 04/12: Earls Court - The Good, the Bad & the Ugly
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I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to have read somewhere that it is illegal to display prices incorrectly. I think you could have quoted the Sale of Goods Act at them and got the halyards at the lower price displayed.
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I work on the edge of the retail game, and it is not illegal to have mispriced goods. In short, you don't actually have to sell anything to anybody. You may have problems with trading standards if you advertise incorrect prices, but mistakes are allowed.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to have read somewhere that it is illegal to display prices incorrectly. I think you could have quoted the Sale of Goods Act at them and got the halyards at the lower price displayed.
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I work on the edge of the retail game, and it is not illegal to have mispriced goods. In short, you don't actually have to sell anything to anybody. You may have problems with trading standards if you advertise incorrect prices, but mistakes are allowed.
Emjaytoo
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Re: 04/12: Earls Court - The Good, the Bad & the Ugly
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I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to have read somewhere that it is illegal to display prices incorrectly. I think you could have quoted the Sale of Goods Act at them and got the halyards at the lower price displayed.
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I work on the edge of the retail game, and it is not illegal to have mispriced goods. In short, you don't actually have to sell anything to anybody. You may have problems with trading standards if you advertise incorrect prices, but mistakes are allowed.
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I think the term is "offer to treat"
The retailer is inviting you to make an offer. The retailer does not have to accept your offer.
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I'm not a lawyer, but I seem to have read somewhere that it is illegal to display prices incorrectly. I think you could have quoted the Sale of Goods Act at them and got the halyards at the lower price displayed.
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I work on the edge of the retail game, and it is not illegal to have mispriced goods. In short, you don't actually have to sell anything to anybody. You may have problems with trading standards if you advertise incorrect prices, but mistakes are allowed.
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I think the term is "offer to treat"
The retailer is inviting you to make an offer. The retailer does not have to accept your offer.
AlJones
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A fair visitors appraisal!!
I did get you 'a barman's measure' though! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I heard this morning from one of the other exhibitors that when they left they went to the underground station and were 'approached' by a 'lady' asking if he had just left the boat show!
He answered that he had.
He was then asked if he knew that the show he had just attended was not ...'the official one'!
He answered that he hadn't known, and was then asked if he would answer a three page questionnaire and on completion was given two free tickets for the Excel BS!!!!
Who do the panel believe was behind this???
Dirty tricks eh?
Who is running scared?
This boat Show at EC was put together for the boating community by the industry as requested.
Beggars belief.
Al.
I did get you 'a barman's measure' though! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I heard this morning from one of the other exhibitors that when they left they went to the underground station and were 'approached' by a 'lady' asking if he had just left the boat show!
He answered that he had.
He was then asked if he knew that the show he had just attended was not ...'the official one'!
He answered that he hadn't known, and was then asked if he would answer a three page questionnaire and on completion was given two free tickets for the Excel BS!!!!
Who do the panel believe was behind this???
Dirty tricks eh?
Who is running scared?
This boat Show at EC was put together for the boating community by the industry as requested.
Beggars belief.
Al.
alldownwind
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..............This boat Show at EC was put together for the boating community by the industry as requested. ........
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Requested by whom? And why aren't they attending it?
..............This boat Show at EC was put together for the boating community by the industry as requested. ........
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Requested by whom? And why aren't they attending it?
AlJones
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Oh come on, you must remember the past four years of posts on here alone with regard to how much the EC was wanted back.
Organisers got together and asked for exhibitors and many have taken up that calling.
I am smiling and smiling big, I enjoy EC and stood up to provide a service when asked, as I have done in the past, and will continue to do so.
We all have a place in the market, exhibitor and visitor alike, some choose one some choose the other, thats the way the cookie crumbles.
What are your thoughts towards the questionnaire thingy? That would be interesting to hear.
Al.
Organisers got together and asked for exhibitors and many have taken up that calling.
I am smiling and smiling big, I enjoy EC and stood up to provide a service when asked, as I have done in the past, and will continue to do so.
We all have a place in the market, exhibitor and visitor alike, some choose one some choose the other, thats the way the cookie crumbles.
What are your thoughts towards the questionnaire thingy? That would be interesting to hear.
Al.
bilbobaggins
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What are your thoughts towards the questionnaire thingy?
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Al,
You most probably remember a similar occurrence a few years ago, when an American company tried to set up a Yachtmaster Training scheme here, in competition with the RYA. They invited several dozen sea school principals to a posh presentation, for a Q and A session in a hotel. Lurking conspicuously in the lobby of the hotel used for the presentation was a quite senior and well-known RYA manager, who was avidly writing down the names of those who went in......
This was taken by quite a few to be a form of coercion, threatening behaviour, a commercial disincentive not to get involved by the operator of a monopoly.
What did you think of that, at the time.....?
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What are your thoughts towards the questionnaire thingy?
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Al,
You most probably remember a similar occurrence a few years ago, when an American company tried to set up a Yachtmaster Training scheme here, in competition with the RYA. They invited several dozen sea school principals to a posh presentation, for a Q and A session in a hotel. Lurking conspicuously in the lobby of the hotel used for the presentation was a quite senior and well-known RYA manager, who was avidly writing down the names of those who went in......
This was taken by quite a few to be a form of coercion, threatening behaviour, a commercial disincentive not to get involved by the operator of a monopoly.
What did you think of that, at the time.....?
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alldownwind
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Well Al, if 'we' on this forum are among those who 'requested a show at EC, then 'we' are perhaps not representative of the majority. As I posted somewhere else recently, someone did a survey of members/posters and concluded there were only 250 'active posters' on here. I don't know what percentage of that 250 have banged on about EC, but you probably end up with quite a small number of people.
Personally I don't particularly like getting to EC, and in the past I have always caught bad colds/coughs after being there, as have many others I know. Atmosphere this time seemed OK, so perhaps they've improved the A/C or perhaps it was better simply because there were very few people there.
I do appreciate that the old part of EC has this 'wrap-round' feel to it that maybe makes people feel that it makes the show more 'intimate' (no I'm not talking about the massage parlour) and that feeling is of course absent in EC2 and Excel.
And personally I don't seem to have the problems with Excel that others have, maybe that's partly because it's an easy 75-minute drive for me; but I've always enjoyed the show, learned something, been entertained in some way. I don't hold with all the knocking of the BMF, I think they are trying hard to please and last year's show was a vast improvement on previous years. I did get very cross about the parking charges last year, but I see in my new ST that parking will be a fixed-rate of £9 per day this time.
As for the free Excel tickets being offered outside EC.....perhaps not the way I'd do business, and probably the actual people doing it will be from an agency and perhaps not saying exactly what they were told to say. I don't know.
I just feel faintly annoyed about the whole situation. The Boat Show is the kind of thing I look forward to, and having the two factions threatens the survival of both.
Personally I don't particularly like getting to EC, and in the past I have always caught bad colds/coughs after being there, as have many others I know. Atmosphere this time seemed OK, so perhaps they've improved the A/C or perhaps it was better simply because there were very few people there.
I do appreciate that the old part of EC has this 'wrap-round' feel to it that maybe makes people feel that it makes the show more 'intimate' (no I'm not talking about the massage parlour) and that feeling is of course absent in EC2 and Excel.
And personally I don't seem to have the problems with Excel that others have, maybe that's partly because it's an easy 75-minute drive for me; but I've always enjoyed the show, learned something, been entertained in some way. I don't hold with all the knocking of the BMF, I think they are trying hard to please and last year's show was a vast improvement on previous years. I did get very cross about the parking charges last year, but I see in my new ST that parking will be a fixed-rate of £9 per day this time.
As for the free Excel tickets being offered outside EC.....perhaps not the way I'd do business, and probably the actual people doing it will be from an agency and perhaps not saying exactly what they were told to say. I don't know.
I just feel faintly annoyed about the whole situation. The Boat Show is the kind of thing I look forward to, and having the two factions threatens the survival of both.
bluedragon
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I think your latter statement is where we agree. You and many others like the Excel show, me and many others would prefer to see EC as the venue. None of us are "right" or "wrong"...we have our personal opinions and preferences which are all equally valid. As for what the "split" of opinion is, I don't know, but I'm sure the organisers of the the EC show must have thought there would be substantial support from exhibitors and the public for EC, or they wouldn't have done it. I would also prefer to see one "official" LBS...but structured along the lines of the old EC show (and preferably located there). I don't see how two virtually similar shows, within weeks of each other in London can survive, and it does us the boating public no favours either if we have to go to both shows to cover all our needs and wishes,
jamesjermain
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Sad truth is the BMF is there on behalf of the trade, not the consumer.
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You might critisise the BMF for being inefficient, incompetent, or not serving its members but you can hardly blame it for being there on behalf of the trade - its the trade organisation. It's job is to promote, support and protect its members who are the boating industry
Sad truth is the BMF is there on behalf of the trade, not the consumer.
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You might critisise the BMF for being inefficient, incompetent, or not serving its members but you can hardly blame it for being there on behalf of the trade - its the trade organisation. It's job is to promote, support and protect its members who are the boating industry
Twister_Ken
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Quite. So who is going to organise a boatshow for the public?
