You think house buying & divorce is stressy - try buying a boat!

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I want to buy a boat. I had a list of 9 that were lying in various locations along the south coast. I contacted each of the brokers and arranged a viewing. Most said that they personally would not be able to show me around (boat show) but that they would arrange for someone else to be available. BOAT1. The very young lady (student on a temp basis) took me to where (or so she thought) the boat was berthed. It was not there. A neighbouring boat owner informed us that the owner had moved her to Portsmouth. The owner had omitted to tell the broker. The broker didn’t check with the owner.
BOAT2. The broker, very lacking in personality, after showing me the boat I had gone to view, informed me of a Feeling 326 that was on his books that was lying at the Hamble. I am sure this piece of info was as a result of me telling him my next viewing was a Feeling. But he didn’t ask any questions or volunteer to look out any other boats that he thought may be suitable.
BOAT 3. Mmmm interesting this bit. Arrived at the brokers. The secretary informed me that the boat was unlocked and that I could get aboard as the Surveyor was already onboard. Surveyor? What I Surveyor? Not mine. After a chat with said gent he informed me that he was surveying for a potential customer. Why hadn’t the broker informed me of this 2 days previously when I arranged to view?. Whilst in the office, I picked up details of 2 others boats. The secretary was unable to give me any info on either of them but handed me the keys to one, but the keys for the other could not be found. Perhaps it has been sold/moved I suggested. Oh no came the reply. I wandered on to the hard, by myself. There were ladders lashed to all the other boats that were for sale with the brokerage except for the one I wanted to view. No one around, and no one in the office to hump a very heavy big ladder for me. As for the other boat with the missing keys? Couldn’t find it!
BOAT4 Upon arrival at the brokers I was informed the boat I wanted to view was unlocked, I could wander around myself. He remained in the office.
In between all this, the broker who I was due to meet the next day called to say he couldn’t meet me because he had been called to the boat show and as the secretary couldn’t leave the office there would be no-one to show me the boat. Seeing as it seems to be broker policy to leave boats unlocked, I called back the next morning, and asked if there was any way I could view the boat as I was in the area anyway? She put me through to the broker, who in fact was not going to the show and he could show me the boat after all.
My next days viewings were not quite as fraught. Two brokers were extremely professional , (they even shook my hand!!!!)asked me lots of questions, what was I looking for, what was my budget etc. and were able to answer all of mine. Whereas another couldn’t answer any of my questions when he showed me the boat.

So what is this brokerage biz all about then? Put boat details on a website, fill the office with pictures and specs and then sit back and make the customer do the rest.? Bit like estate agents I reckon. And as for leaving boats unlocked? I could have lifted all sorts of equipment from the boats I look at unescorted, and you know what? - no one would have been any the wiser!. One of the boats was a real mess. Cushions upended and stuff left laying around. The broker informed me that if I wished to do a second viewing he would come down before hand and “tidy her up a bit“. It also amazed me the lack of knowledge these guys had about the boat. Simple questions like “why is she for sale, how long has she been on the market? Has there been much interest? Does she come with everything on my spec list, what is her history” could not be answered. I was also amazed at the condition owners leave their boats in when they put them on the market. Dirty, (one boat stunk of cigs and the headlinings were yellow and it was generally very grubby), another looked like the Marie Celeste, tools and beer cans left laying around - looked like the owner had just popped out for a minute. I do not think for one minute that it is the brokers responsibility to clean and tidy a boat, that, I feel is what the owner should do, but I do think that when a broker knows of a viewing he should check all is well with the boat and be armed with as much information as is available to him and if that is not a lot then contact the owner and get more.. None of the brokers made any effort to give me details of any other boats that they thought may fit my criteria. They just didn’t seem bothered or interested. I wonder if this is because I am a female and didn’t have a male in tow? One broker said he looked forward to meeting me and my husband! No, there is no husband -it’s just me. Oh I see came the reply. I am a serious buyer. I live on an island so have to maximise the time I have available to view. Having done all the hard work myself- (spent hours trawling websites, making calls, and then travelling to various locations ) I do expect these guys to take me seriously and do what YOU, the boat seller pays them to do!!!
 
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I wonder if this is because I am a female and didn’t have a male in tow?

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Calm down dear /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif




Actually the answer to your question is "no".

And you do seem to have identified the business model very well:

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So what is this brokerage biz all about then? Put boat details on a website, fill the office with pictures and specs and then sit back and make the customer do the rest

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Maybe you WOULD be better of with spending the money on some nice new shoes or a handbag?? /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
I contacted boatshed about a boat I spotted onYBW - she wanted me to tell her the name (not known), where it was located and reference number - all of which SHE should have known. I binned it!!
 
Hi Jane, your experiences are much the same as the ones I had, although mine might have been compounded by the fact that I wasn't looking to spend big money.

I must have looked at 15 or so boats before I found the right one, and was getting very despondant. One broker I feel I can recommend is Deacons on the Hamble. although they knew I was only looking to spend beer money, they were very polite and attentive, and nothing seemed to be too much trouble.

I cannot for the life of me understand why, when someone wants to sell something, why they don't present it in the best possible light? I looked at more boats that could only be fairly described as sheds, than I care to remember, and by the sound of it, it doesn't just seem to be the bottom end of the market.

Maybe you need to be a little harder in your dealings with brokers, phone 'em first, and nail the buggers down, make them answer the questions you have, in a proper manner, if they start to waffle, just put the phone down and move on. Same applies if phoning prospective sellers. If more folks did this, he message might start to filter through?

There are thousands of boats on the market, and regardless of the opinions of some, it is a buyers market. It's simple really, they want to sell a boat, you want to buy a boat, but you have got the money that they want. So make damn sure you get the best deal for your money, and take no prisoners! /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Yep you are right. I have another 16 to view this week and my approach will be different but it leaves me amazed that these guys know so little about the boat they are trying to sell. Onwards and Upwards!
 
One more thing, I don't know what you are looking to spend, and I don't want to know (it aint none of my business), but if I was you I would slice off 15-20% and put it by. I think you will be glad you did, because when you have got the boat of your desires, it will give you a bit for the things that you want to change / add or fix later on?
 
My daughter has exactly the same problems with car salesmen when she wants to change her car.

She is the earner in her family. Her husband is a house parent and does not drive.

She was looking for a second car for herself at about £20K. and is completely ignored when she enters a showroom.

When she eventually collars a salesman and asks for a test drive the sort things which are thrown at her are. Come back with your husband to see if you are allowed it. Or a bit too powerful for you.

I am afraid she does not fit the role model and the salesmen are such ignorant 'persons'.

Much the same in the marine industry. I was recently helping someone to put a boat on the market and the brokers were terrible.

They had to be pushed and sat upon even then they did not perform.

Sorted out now but took sometime.

I am afraid it is just the way things are and will remain so until enough people buck against it.

Iain
 
Is there a reason you are or at least appear to be fixed to using a broker?

If it is for after-sales help, well, it is unlikely as you appear to be getting little or no pre-sales help and advice.

There are pages of yachts in the mags and even more on boats and outboards which is always highly recommended on here.

Can I be nosey and ask what sorts of boats you are looking at, this is pure nosiness and you obviously should not feel obliged to answer. Also, are you looking for a boat to sail away or a project type. Though I guess from comments about condition of boats left for sale you are looking for a boat ready to go.
 
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Come back with your husband to see if you are allowed it.

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has that really been said to her?
 
Blooooomin' 'eck! twice right in one day!...........This must be a personal record! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Go for it Jane......straight for the throat, and sod 'em! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

Don't leave no ickies mind! /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
 
Hi Jane

I am saddened to hear about your experiences. Speaking as one who is trying to sell his boat through a reputable broker I have concluded its up to the seller to make an effort and chivvy the broker along. Brokers take a big slice of the pie and for that one expects proportionate effort and not treat potential buyers with the indifference which you seem to have experienced. I also think a buyer should check with a broker to monitor progress and make sure the boat is in a state which appeals to a buyer. It is up to the seller to make sure the boat is in a fit state for viewing. Before I bought my current boat I looked at a wide range both in type and price. Some were very well presented but many were not (one looked like it needed to be gutted and would fill a skip there was so much rubbish). To be honest if I see a boat which looks like a pigsty I will either walk away or offer a substantial discount on the asking price.

As someone trying to sell, i find it stressful too (it works both ways), I have had a lot of interest and few near misses with my boat but there are an awful lot of timewasters but then a broker should be able to handle those. I always follow-up with broker to see what is happening and what action is being done. They are not always proactive as they should be.

In a nutshell I think its stresful for both parties, its just unfortunate that you have not had a good experience.

Simon
 
Sound about right to me, then they loose your deposit cheque, tell you if you don't send a new cheque ASP the other person will get the boat. Best bit is a few months later you get the brokerage owner in YM telling you why you should only buy in UK.
 
Try selling - first prospect wondered why my 6 year old First had a mark on the varnish and a scratch on the floorboards but was not at all worried about sails, engine, rig or anything important but brought along the worlds most knowledgable person on my particular vessel to generally criticise, next one wondered why a boat that had done a thousand mile season and had been just been laid up was not freshly polished just for him ,then agreed a price on Friday and told us he could not raise the finance on Monday -us having spent a weekend thinking the boat was sold and we could really enjoy looking knowing we had cash to spend on the new one. Huh! Almost want to use a broker....or perhaps not, although they are not all bad IMHO
 
Not had personal experience of selling, and I know that this may not be the type of boat you are looking at, but every time I have looked at a boat at multihull world in Emsworth, I have been impressed with their attitude, even if they did sell the boat I was looking at to Vagabond!

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(admitedly I had told him about it)
 
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