Yotties...a moan

[oldgit]

Re: Might is right?

So if you notice someone doing something in a small dinghy ie small child/less able person getting in/out you would deliberately hold your speed despite being fully aware of the problems it could cause.Is this a Solent thing?
Looks like an area to avoid.

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[tcm]

"No sympathy for anyone using a galley at sea?" Uh-uh. Fine for dayboating, not so for anyone sailing/anchoring up or down the Channel, which takes several days. And you were on the plane yet close enough to actually hear someone scream at you to speed up or slow down? I wonder what Dad would say about that? Fact is, if you can make out how many fingers they are holding up, you are too close.

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[byron]

Can't argue with your summation.

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[MainlySteam]

Are those tummies or engines I hear rumbling?

Here (New Zealand) from earlier this year craft (includes PWC's) are not allowed, except with good reason, to exceed 5 knots within 50m of another craft or person in the water, or within 200m of the shore and this has precedence over any other general harbour limit that may be set. This applies anywhere in NZ waters, not just in harbours. Obvious exemptions for races, lanes, etc and vessels over 500 T that cannot navigate at that speed. Also not allowed to create a wake which may cause danger or damage to another vessel, person, etc. If you are a skier or similar, you are not allowed to allow yourself to be towed under those circumstances.

I have a sailboat but work with powerboats so "on the fence" in the moaning department, and have a boat which underway is not worried by anything. But after many experiences of boats charging through anchorages, and once having a ski towrope go across the top of a small open boat with me and another in it, I have to concur with the new restrictions even though I am generally anti controls.

John

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[suzanne]

Re: Might is right?

There is no point keep going back and forth arguing what im trying to describe, every situation has different circumstances and possibilities - i guess you just had to be there to understand what was going on. Just to add though, i avoid the Solent always i hate it, im certainly not from there! I was simply decribing the situation and to try and back up how far away we were my Dad says ive got a mouth like a fog horn-if i wanna be heard i can be. But everyone on this forum has there own opinions and everyone thinks that their opinion is the right one. I dont understand yotties, they dont understand me thats the facts and there not gonna change, but i can still get on with them!

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[oldsalt]

"A yacht (very small wooden day yacht) screamed at us to slow down, which we did - coming off of the plane. 30 seconds later he screamed for us to speed up because our wake was bigger off the plane than on."

If you could hear him scream whilst you were on the plane, then I suggest you were too close at that speed.

"Firstly if someone is using the galley in any way whilst at sea in crowded or rough waters then ive got no sympathy for the consequences. My Dad has NEVER let any of us boil a kettle or get a knife out to butter bread for a sandwich whilst at sea - if we had it was like we had committed a crime. Half an hour before we set off Mum makes shed loads of sarnies and flasks of Tea and Coffee."

Most sailors use kettles and cook at sea, how else do I do 6 day passages? Does Daddy go out for more than an hour at a time? What if Mum is not with you?

"if a boat is doing the limit or below then maybe its inconciderate if the wash is big but its legal!"

Many things are tecnically legal, but hurt or annoy other people. Common sense dictates that your wash should be kept to a minimum whilst in the vicinity of other boats. I have been swamped in a dinghy whilst an A-hole in a motor cruiser shot past at close range but a legal speed. My children have nearly been swept over the side as a motor cruiser has changed course to have a good look at my sailing boat.

" I dont understand yotties, they dont understand me thats the facts and there not gonna change"

There's nothing like a closed mind! Just understand your effects on others.



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[Will_M]

I motor & sail... I know i've done some things which would/have cause a fellow 'water-user' to yell at me and in turn i have felt it just to yell and gesture at others for their actions.

Aint nobody perfect.


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[Boatman]

I also Motor & Sail (owning both) Sensible common sence on both sides is what is required, correct trimming on a power boat seems in many cases to be lacking and the "it's my right of way attitude" of sailors are both causes of frustration.

Most sailors don't venture far offshore where waves, wakes etc can be huge so they have a limited understanding of what happens with sudden wind changes and storms. Cooking (boiling the kettle etc) below for most is a test of many. A wash coming in starts small and increases very quickly but gives enough time to brace and avoid a problem. Experience (ie time on the sea) is the answer.

Most power boaters are generally not aware of the impact of their wash on a sailing boat but on the other hand how many know what happens when anchored just outside a channel with large commercial shipping coming in and out. Power boats experience a much bigger more violent motion than sail boats. Even small ones.

A days trial on a small sail boat for power boaters and vis a versa would do both sections a world of good.

There will always be good & bad individuals on both sides, life would be boring if everybody was the same, common sence needs re-emphasising.

Happy boating

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[qsiv]

Re: I can\'t see...

Leaving aside the fact that 8 knots is way above the hullspeed, and therefore wavemaking will be at it's worst, it's just possible that the yachtsman was doing what many do - putting a coat or two of varnish on the toe rail ahead of the winter. This is best done at this time of year (days are still long, temperatures high), and above all it is best done afloat - the one place you dont do it is ashore, because of all the dust. As such it is an absolutely sensible thing to do.

Many moons ago my family owned a 40 foot varnished MFV - late every summer we would go and find either a quiet anchorage, or best of all we would go and dry out on a sandbank for the day.

I had a similar thing happen to me once - I was lowering an outboard from the boat to the dinghy just as someone went by 'at the speed limit'. Fortunately the engine had a safety line on, and didnt take more than £ 1,000 to repair the damage to the hull. Oh - and at the time I was on a MoBo, so its not just a rag and stick thing.

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