Cerebus
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Change to post: apologies to Wonky winch, see post 117 or 118 Actually post 119… I missed the grey boxes that show you are correct.
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Yet another DS practical question
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Cerebus
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Thank you. I posted an apology whilst you were posting.
Cerebus
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No teasing on my part, just stupidity and inability to read documents properly.
May I blame the small phone I am using? No. Just poor attentiveness.
wonkywinch
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Thank you. As Mrs Wonky knows, don't argue with me when I've had a drink 
DreadShips
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Always feels like Coastal Skipper is a kind of fill-in course for lubbers like me who don't have the experience or opportunity to prepare for the Yachtmaster qualifications, but who fancy something to tick off on their way past.
It fills a niche, I guess, but I'm not excited by the idea.
It fills a niche, I guess, but I'm not excited by the idea.
Cerebus
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Out of interest, Do you have any idea why the foulies created a rash that was mediated by anti-histamines?
I am no doctor, so only guesses here: bugs in coat? Build up of sweat (unlikely?)
Some chemical used to wash them that you are allergic to?
We’re they breathable?
What make? Pm if willing and do not wish to name and blame a brand.
I am curious why a jacket could cause a person to need to take antihistamines.
I am very curious. Nothing on tv and all chores (well most of them) done too
spindly_killer_fish
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Honestly i have no idea, they were standard musto yellow foul weather gear, my daughter wore hers a few times without any issue, it just so happened i got this reaction which woke me in the night with itching and a swollen face, I cant be certain it was definitely the jacket or something in the air motoring up the solent at night. it certainly wasnt the sleeping bag i took as i slept in it all week and it was new.Out of interest, Do you have any idea why the foulies created a rash that was mediated by anti-histamines?
I am no doctor, so only guesses here: bugs in coat? Build up of sweat (unlikely?)
Some chemical used to wash them that you are allergic to?
We’re they breathable?
What make? Pm if willing and do not wish to name and blame a brand.
I am curious why a jacket could cause a person to need to take antihistamines.
I am very curious. Nothing on tv and all chores (well most of them) done too
luckily me and my daughter both get hayfever (although havent had it this year) and always have a stock of Telfast on hand and that done the trick
I didnt want to buy foul weather gear for the course, especially not owning a boat and the limited use it would get for the cost.
this is the gear used, not sure you can make out the model
Cerebus
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Nice colour sea.
Is that a Spinlock deck lite life jacket?
Do you think your cabin had some left over odours or something?
If anti-histamine cured it, I wonder what the cause was?
I am curious by nature.
If you have not purchased your own gear yet, Decathalon ( ask others on here and I think they will agree) do good value for money gear.
I also have 4 dry suits that I will be selling very cheaply when I get the energy to list here or on ebay(spit - I cannot understand their new rules) (probably after I try Gumtree and Preloved and learn to use Facebook market place)
They are GoreTex. Tri-laminate (means the GoreTex is well protected). Good condition. Tough as the best old boots; I am keeping the 5th one (now 35 years old since I bought it) that saw me through a F8 gale with just a T-shirt and boxer shorts underneath and kept me bone dry). It is still in excellent condition but I cut the hood off and used a sou’wester hat.
I am as mad as a hatter, so it all goes together well; hat and dry suit.
ylop
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Not impossible it’s the cleaning stuff but for your body to be itchy, unless you were naked under it, seems quite an extreme reaction to the washing chemicals. As another possibility, if it was bad enough for foulies did you take any sea sickness medication? Could it be a reaction to that - would be good to know before you take the same ingredient again.
spindly_killer_fish
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after a bit of google, the life jackets were ocean safety sportadv.
the cabin itself didnt smelll although the sink in the foreheads didnt drain very well and it stank, the tank (if there is one) should have been flushed, which is crappy because i also done a day sail on this boat a month before and the problem was the same then. either way we used bottled water to brush teeth etc.
I have no idea about the cause of the itchiness.face swelling but i would probably put it down to a cleaning product although its not something i have experienced before.
Im not sure about buying gear yet, a part of this was to see if we enjoyed being on a boat as a family for 5 days, alas due to the course being really busy we didnt gt a chance to experience the relaxation part much, so now i have applied for an ICC the experiment will continue, if it turns out its not really our thing im also looking at the dark side (merry fisher / antares etc.) just something small and fun we can enjoy on weekends and make longer day trips which are also cheaper to store when not in use.
yeah we took dramamine daily so i dont think it was that as it wouldnt have taken 4 days for a reaction. im not blaming anything as i dont find it a big deal but its just curious, heck i may have been bitten by something for all i know. the reason for wearing the jacket was it was a bit chilly on the night sail and i didnt pack a warm jacket due to weather forecasts and the i had already pre paid for the hire of the gear.
apologies for any spelling, its too early in the morning and i cant see bugger all without the specs and they are upstairs
finestgreen
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I've done it twice (I passed the first time, the second time "just for fun") and learned a lot both times. Also both times there were experienced skippers who struggled and ultimately didn't pass.
Kwik Decision
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The Coastal Skipper course, if run well, should major on passage planning, and passage sailing, including at night. These skills are touched on, but not really covered in Day Skipper. In addition the course should build on the pilotage and boat handling skills learned at Day Skipper. While the Day Skipper course leaves you competent to skipper a yacht in familiar waters in day time, following the Coastal skipper course, you should be able to skipper the yacht on coastal and offshore passages, day and night.
I'm surprised to hear of "experienced skippers" failing the coastal skipper course - if they covered everything on the syllabus, they should be given the course completion certificate. Are you sure you are not getting confused with the Yachtmaster Coastal exam, which is certainly failable.
finestgreen
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Yes, I'm definitely not getting confused.
On the first there was a guy who had had his own boat a long time, the second was someone who'd been doing holiday charters with his family for years. They both had experience and confidence doing a small familiar set of things but hadn't exercised themselves beyond that in a long time (if ever) and couldn't adequately demonstrate the items on the syllabus in the time available. I think they both still found the course useful!
Never Grumble
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It's interesting to see the level of experience that will get you a day skippers (sail) ticket, most people I know who get these do so with the sole intention of going abroad to do a flotilla holiday. I struggle to see me on a such a holiday so it's difficult to see the point. Especially when you read stories like this of poorly run courses.
wonkywinch
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I think if you failed to gain a completion certificate after a DS or CS course then you either turned up completely unprepared or the instructor was crap.
The whole idea is to impart a skill set so the ticks can be added to the "can" and "knowledge of" boxes.
Not to be confused with Yachtmaster qualifications which are properly examined over a couple of days. There is no exam in a DS or CS course.
The whole idea is to impart a skill set so the ticks can be added to the "can" and "knowledge of" boxes.
Not to be confused with Yachtmaster qualifications which are properly examined over a couple of days. There is no exam in a DS or CS course.
ylop
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I know someone who (successfully) did DS alongside someone else doing CS who “failed” - they had been sailing for 30+ years on their dads boat and dad had told them not to waste their time with DS (needed certificate to charter). But whilst he’d been crewing for dad for years, including taking watches he hadn’t actually been in charge at all and hadn’t done theory course so by day 2 was told he wouldn’t be getting CS.
I also recently spoke to someone who did day skipper thirty years ago then never stepped on a boat again and was planning to charter in the med and thought they might “brush up” by doing CS. It might all come flooding back - or the instructor might ask more probing questions about the claimed prior experience!
People do DS for all sorts of reasons: to learn how to sail, flotilla charter, bareboat charter, to reassure themselves when they buy a boat, to save a little on insurance, to get the first rung on the commercial endorsement ladder. It’s a competitive market place, with online reviews making it difficult to keep disasterous experiences quiet. So I’m fairly sure that most DS courses are pretty well run with positive experiences for the students, with most gaining the completion certificate. I don’t know what your sailing experience is or your future ambitions but i wouldn’t see DS as “the flotilla course” or let others put you off.
To go from never having set foot on a boat to Day Skipper is actually a lot of work. You might already know it all - but it’s as much a management and communication course as a sailing one.
Reptile Smile
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This is a great summary
Stemar
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When I did my Comp Crew course, around 25 years ago, it was my first time on a sailing boat apart from a dinghy once as a teen. There was a couple, doing CS, another guy doing Comp Crew and me. When I saw what was expected of the CS people, I reckoned I could do most of it, so I asked the instructor, if I met the standard, could I upgrade to DS? He was dubious, but said, OK. I'd done the nav & met as an air cadet, so that made it easier and, in the end, I got the DS ticket. One of the couple got his CS, and deserved it, but his wife just didn't seem to have the instinct for it, so she got Comp Crew.
finestgreen
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This is a view I also don't understand. As I said I've done CS twice and I would absolutely do DS again and consider it a valuable use of time
RunAgroundHard
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Dad probably has his view reinforced that the RYA are a waste of time as a result of his son failing, instead of wondering why. Dunning Kruger is very common amongst potential day skippers. I have written this before, a good competent crew will be more competent than a mediocre day skipper any day of the week. Most shit day skippers start with the assumption that because they exceed the 100 miles and 4 night hours, they are competent.