Yet another DS practical question

[wonkywinch]

It doesn't seem to have much safety equipment in Nick's video, eg horseshoe buoys, Danbuoy etc. All stuff that's needed for coding.

Wouldn't mind doing my initial stuff on it, all the school boats I've been on were much mankier.

 

[wonkywinch]

Coastal skipper is your next milestone (now called yachtmaster coastal iirc)?

Next up after RYA Day Skipper is RYA Coastal Skipper. After that it's Yachtmaster (Coastal/Offshore/Ocean).

RYA Coastal Skipper is a course/attendance certificate issued by a school. Yachtmaster is an MCA qualification examined after a prep course by an authorised examiner and is the qualification you need if you want to get a commercial endorsement.

They aren't the same thing.

 

[spindly_killer_fish]

It doesn't seem to have much safety equipment in Nick's video, eg horseshoe buoys, Danbuoy etc. All stuff that's needed for coding.

Wouldn't mind doing my initial stuff on it, all the school boats I've been on were much mankier.

it did have horsehoes, danbuoy, epirb, raft etc. and it IS a lovely boat, i just cant get past what you get in terms of quality for the money. maybe its me just being old but a dab of loctite on bits that screw on to stop them falling off due to vibration, like the push in latches on doors etc. and the companionway didnt even meet to be locked at night.

 

[Cerebus]

It was decent, good weather and plenty of sailing, Done it in the Solent and went around the IOW. I guess i didn't find it difficult at all, soon relaxed once on board, plenty of chartwork and prep. missed a couple of bits i wanted to do but didnt really have the time.

The boat was very pretty being a new model, however it did have its problems and during the night sail I used the foul weather jacket i hired, woke up in the middle of the night scratching the hell out my torso which felt like i was covered in a rash, went to the head and my face had blown up completely swollen. took a couple of anti histamines and by the morning it had retuned somewhat to normal. no idea what they use to clean those things between uses but i certainly had a reaction.


for the price of it, it just felt like ikea furniture. laminate edging peeling, latches were falling off because no one heard of loctite, the companionway did not close, lights and gauges not working etc. lots of small things that really shouldn't have an issue. the skipper who owns a rassey also weren't very impressed.

I once had the poor experience of going for yachtmaster commercial examination with a useless ‘sailing school’ ( only realised they were useless too late) (that means a man with a boat with enough qualifications to qualify to run a ‘school’, but do it very badly - he was only seen once and subcontracted the other four days to some unknown very rude and disinterestedly person)

The ‘school’ was atrocious.

5 day course and the boat was docked every night and all were sent home. One day consisted of leaving marina (instructor did that when I should have), dropping anchor, eating some food and returning to marina ! I mean what was going on? I was young and not as strong as I am now. I later learned that a proper tuition meant remaining on boat for 5 days).

I was the only one taking the exam but was given little to no tuition and little time at the helm.

Upon the exam I was asked to reef. I had never done it upon the school boat but worked it out from experience / common sense from sailing my own boat.

The gear jammed (I fixed it quickly) and the examiner told me off for climbing over an open hatchway. I told him I had never reefed the boat before and was not familiar with its system but the examiner said the ‘instructor’ told him I had been instructed how to do it (lies).

It was a poor experience (poor ‘school’) that soon went out of business.

But the examiner said my instructions to crew and communications and the manner I used were excellent and that I was the best log keeper he had examined (who cares about that?!)

I was let down by a poor school that did not deliver a anything like a proper syllabus.

I phoned RYA and asked a few questions and they were appalled said to lodge a complaint but I was scared; the owner (of dubious character, who spoke of various nefarious activities as if they were good actions) made me think twice about ratting him out.

Cowardly? Self preservation?

It doesn't seem to have much safety equipment in Nick's video, eg horseshoe buoys, Danbuoy etc. All stuff that's needed for coding.

Wouldn't mind doing my initial stuff on it, all the school boats I've been on were much mankier.

The ‘school’ boat I did my yachtmaster commercial on had a faulty Danbouy light (I could have fixed with a leatherman and some wire, but I had already given them a load of free labour with no thanks) and some other fault I cannot remember (except for the faulty reefing gear).

Owner / instructor was not bothered. Very poor company.

Since we never did any night sailing (as we should have) point is moot or is that mute (I think mute is wrong; long time since I gained A grade ( yes, bragging) ‘ O’ levels in English language and English literature.

I do have concerns about dementia affecting me. I have heard there are new drugs to slow it; perhaps time to see a GP.

 

[Cerebus]

it did have horsehoes, danbuoy, epirb, raft etc. and it IS a lovely boat, i just cant get past what you get in terms of quality for the money. maybe its me just being old but a dab of loctite on bits that screw on to stop them falling off due to vibration, like the push in latches on doors etc. and the companionway didnt even meet to be locked at night.

I (as primary guest / charterer / twit ) was allocated a cabin that had been doused with diesel owing to a screw up via the ‘school’ - probably fortunate they did not conduct a proper course and I could drive home each of the 5 nights and sleep with my wife.

 

[wonkywinch]

To be fair, the YM prep course is just that nowadays. You're expected to know your stuff on day 1, there isn't time to teach you much, it's all about ironing out wrinkles and preparing you for the exam.

My prep week was in similar weather we're having now. Sailing into Beaulieu at night in 35 knot winds.

The weather was so bad on my exam weekend, the examiner had us turn right out of the Hamble and skills were confined to the more sheltered Southampton Water. Nav exercise was Hamble to Marchwood!

 

[spindly_killer_fish]

I once had the poor experience of going for yachtmaster commercial examination with a useless ‘sailing school’ ( only realised they were useless too late) (that means a man with a boat with enough qualifications to qualify to run a ‘school’, but do it very badly - he was only seen once and subcontracted the other four days to some unknown very rude and disinterestedly person)

The ‘school’ was atrocious.

5 day course and the boat was docked every night and all were sent home. One day consisted of leaving marina (instructor did that when I should have), dropping anchor, eating some food and returning to marina ! I mean what was going on? I was young and not as strong as I am now. I later learned that a proper tuition meant remaining on boat for 5 days).

I was the only one taking the exam but was given little to no tuition and little time at the helm.

Upon the exam I was asked to reef. I had never done it upon the school boat but worked it out from experience / common sense from sailing my own boat.

The gear jammed (I fixed it quickly) and the examiner told me off for climbing over an open hatchway. I told him I had never reefed the boat before and was not familiar with its system but the examiner said the ‘instructor’ told him I had been instructed how to do it (lies).

It was a poor experience (poor ‘school’) that soon went out of business.

But the examiner said my instructions to crew and communications and the manner I used were excellent and that I was the best log keeper he had examined (who cares about that?!)

I was let down by a poor school that did not deliver a anything like a proper syllabus.

I phoned RYA and asked a few questions and they were appalled said to lodge a complaint but I was scared; the owner (of dubious character, who spoke of various nefarious activities as if they were good actions) made me think twice about ratting him out.

Cowardly? Self preservation?


The ‘school’ boat I did my yachtmaster commercial on had a faulty Danbouy light (I could have fixed with a leatherman and some wire, but I had already given them a load of free labour with no thanks) and some other fault I cannot remember (except for the faulty reefing gear).

Owner / instructor was not bothered. Very poor company.

Since we never did any night sailing (as we should have) point is moot or is that mute (I think mute is wrong; long time since I gained A grade ( yes, bragging) ‘ O’ levels in English language and English literature.

I do have concerns about dementia affecting me. I have heard there are new drugs to slow it; perhaps time to see a GP.

I was indeed lucky that although not great quality IMO, the boat is new. also that I hired the entire boat for the week so it was marinas every night and just me doing my DS, my daughter doing her CC and my wife just hanging out so we had a lot more tuition/attention than i guess youd get on a boat with 4-5 others doing the same course.

My biggest difficulty actually was having a skipper on completely the opposite side of world from me in terms of his worldview.

 

[Cerebus]

Next up after RYA Day Skipper is RYA Coastal Skipper. After that it's Yachtmaster (Coastal/Offshore/Ocean).

RYA Coastal Skipper is a course/attendance certificate issued by a school. Yachtmaster is an MCA qualification examined after a prep course by an authorised examiner and is the qualification you need if you want to get a commercial endorsement.

They aren't the same thing.

Coastal skipper was a thing about 30 odd years ago I believe. It was a good name describing its function. It was just a certificate of completion as you state. I don’t think it exists anymore and has been replaced by “yachtmaster coastal” as I previously mentioned (albeit in 2012- ish)

It changed to yachtmaster coastal and could be examined by RYA examiners / instructors, I believe and annoyed a lot of ‘proper’ commercially endorsed yachtmasters because they did not like the word “yachtmaster” in front of “coastal”.

The info I just posted was of 2012. Names definitely changed and upset a lot of yachtmasters.

So at the moment, you and I disagree. I am more than happy to be re-educated if things have changed since 2012 (which seems like yesterday to me).

 

[Cerebus]

I was indeed lucky that although not great quality IMO, the boat is new. also that I hired the entire boat for the week so it was marinas every night and just me doing my DS, my daughter doing her CC and my wife just hanging out so we had a lot more tuition/attention than i guess youd get on a boat with 4-5 others doing the same course.

My biggest difficulty actually was having a skipper on completely the opposite side of world from me in terms of his worldview.

Sounds like your skipper ( instructor ?) was as bad as mine.

Wonder if there were bedbugs aboard- hence the histamine- bed bugs are not a laughing matter.

Intrigued…

 

[wonkywinch]

So at the moment, you and I disagree. I am more than happy to be re-educated if things have changed since 2012 (which seems like yesterday to me).

May I show you Exhibit A called the "RYA Pathway"?

 

[spindly_killer_fish]

Sounds like your skipper ( instructor ?) was as bad as mine.

Wonder if there were bedbugs aboard- hence the histamine- bed bugs are not a laughing matter.

Intrigued…

The instructor was ok, we just didnt have anything in common which made smalltalk difficult.

Im not sure about bedbugs, 3 nights were no issue, it was only the night i wore the foul weather jacket

 

[Cerebus]

May I show you Exhibit A called the "RYA Pathway"?

View attachment 199350

Of course you may, and my info was over 10 years old (but seems two weeks ago) - “ coastal skipper” (which I think almost everyone was happy about and understood), changed to “yachtmaster coastal” which a lot of yachtmasters were justify ably (imho) pee’d off with.

I do not know what current terminology is.

How old is that image you show?

Has coastal skipper changed to yachtmaster coastal (in 2012) and now gone back to coastal skipper?

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Coastal Skipper is an RYA course, upon completion of the syllabus the student is awarded Coastal Skipper. It teaches how to manage a yacht and crew on extended coastal voyages. Yachtmaster Coastal, is a certificate of competency, independently examined to determine if the candidate meets the minimum level of competency, as defined by the MCA. Therefore, Costal Skipper, a course, and Yachtmaster Coastal, an examination, are two different things.

 

[Cerebus]

The instructor was ok, we just didnt have anything in common which made smalltalk difficult.

Im not sure about bedbugs, 3 nights were no issue, it was only the night i wore the foul weather jacket

Well, my instructor (probably not qualified; the school owner payed him with a bottle of whisky for his previous stint I noticed, was more than rude.

I am amazed I did not punch him in the face; he was so rude (personally). I did not reply to him much to my chagrin ; possibly out of shock or not wishing to rock the boat (lol). He bragged about cheating on his wife, which is when I went below to do chart work whilst he prattled on to another person on board for crew experience.

 

[Cerebus]

Coastal Skipper is an RYA course, upon completion of the syllabus the student is awarded Coastal Skipper. It teaches how to manage a yacht and crew on extended coastal voyages. Yachtmaster Coastal, is a certificate of competency, independently examined to determine if the candidate meets the minimum level of competency, as defined by the MCA. Therefore, Costal Skipper, a course, and Yachtmaster Coastal, an examination, are two different things.

Thank you.

I am talking about yachtmaster coastal then. Examiner was good (attended for the examination). School and instructor S**t poor. RYA wanted me to report the school.

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Thank you.

I am talking about yachtmaster coastal then. …

Yachtmaster Coastal, the current examination that results in a certificate of competency, used to be called Coastal Skipper and it was frequently confused with the RYA Coastal Skipper course, hence the name change a few years ago to differentiate and manage the RYA Yachtmaster brand.

 

[Cerebus]

May I show you Exhibit A called the "RYA Pathway"?

View attachment 199350

Hi again, you ‘thumbs up post 113 but your illustrations does not show “coastal skipper” against “yachtmaster coastal”.

Is that just another RYA failing?

 

[RunAgroundHard]

Hi again, you ‘thumbs up post 113 but your illustrations does not show “coastal skipper” against “yachtmaster coastal”.

Is that just another RYA failing?

It does, see the middle blue colour, horizontal block, called “Cruising Courses Afloat”. That pathway leads to the Yachtmaster Coastal, on the right hand side, top of the grey column.

If you want to see the syllabus of Coastal Skipper v the criteria for the Yachtmaster Coastal examination, you need to get hold of RYA Yachtmaster Scheme and Logbook, which will explain.

 

[Cerebus]

It does, see the middle blue colour, horizontal block, called “Cruising Courses Afloat”. That pathway leads to the Yachtmaster Coastal, on the right hand side, top of the grey column.

If you want to see the syllabus of Coastal Skipper v the criteria for the Yachtmaster Coastal examination, you need to get hold of RYA Yachtmaster Scheme and Logbook, which will explain.

Thank you.

So grey I missed it.

New glasses required for me perhaps.

 

[wonkywinch]

Hi again, you ‘thumbs up post 113 but your illustrations does not show “coastal skipper” against “yachtmaster coastal”.

Is that just another RYA failing?

Yes it does. Look closely. I did the RYA DS in about 2016/17, then RYA Coastal Skipper. Next I did the Yachtmaster Coastal (I didn't have the required number of >60nm passages for Offshore at the time). Since 2017 also completed RYA VHF/SRC, PB2, First Aid, Sea Survival, Diesel Engine, Radar and Professional Competencies so I have recent first hand experience of their course and certificate names but I guess you're just teasing now as it's a while since you've been through any course.





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