Yet again, a report from sunshine Med - NOT!

jrudge said:
If there are not a boat downwind and it is blowing on the beam I agree - you have to be quick with the lines ( or get hydraulic bow and stern thrusters which I used to have :-( ).
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We always try to get a line from our midships cleat to the midships cleat of the upwind boat in those circumstances and then you can take your time with the bow and sternlines but of course if there isnt a boat upwind or downwind to tie up to or lean against it becomes a lot more difficult without powerful bow and sternthrusters

I look forward to a Jon Mendez video telling us how to Med berth stern to in a stiff beam wind without any other boats around;)
 
Deleted User said:
We always try to get a line from our midships cleat to the midships cleat of the upwind boat in those circumstances and then you can take your time with the bow and sternlines but of course if there isnt a boat upwind or downwind to tie up to or lean against it becomes a lot more difficult without powerful bow and sternthrusters

I look forward to a Jon Mendez video telling us how to Med berth stern to in a stiff beam wind without any other boats around;)
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And not with a boat with joystick
 
Hi everyone in the South of France. Now would be a good time to check if you have any local flood warnings
 
Deleted User said:
wasnt Rapallo marina built by Riva rather than the state?
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Indeed Carlo Riva was the driving force behind that marina - which is in fact named after himself.
I'm not aware of how the costs/properties and any other legalese stuff were handled, though.
Afaik, the general principle is that all coastal lands are always State owned, and can only be assigned temporarily (albeit possibly for a very long timeframe) to private entities, for managing the related business.
But whether this means that the actual construction was managed by the State or by the concessionaire (or both), I don't know.

Regardless, I'm a bit skeptic about the reliability of PYB source who mentioned that the harbor wall was actually lowered at some stage, as per his post #52.
What I am sure of is that the marina suffered a similar event in Nov. 2000.
Not as bad as this time IIRC, but still with serious damages to the outer wall, waves entering the marina, and sunk boats.
After that, they made extensive repairs and strengthened the very same wall which has just been destroyed - again.
Now, I can't remember when exactly those works were completed, but envisaging that this wall was completely rebuilt and raised, just to lower it again by 3m right afterwards (i.e. 15 years ago, according to PYB source) for landscape reasons, well, that sounds beyond a joke.

From my part, even if I can't swear that the harbor wall has always been as high as it was till a few days ago, I surely don't remember to have ever seen it much different in height - even before the 2000 storm.
Btw, imho a higher concrete wall alone would have had zero effect in resisting the wave strength better.
What would be necessary is a huge quantity of big rocks on the outer side of that wall, where waves would be bound to crash before hitting the concrete wall.
Boats would still get plenty of salt water spray of course, but that's one thing, and green water flooding is entirely another... :ambivalence:
 
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mcanderson said:
Amber here in 06. Moderate Easterly no rain. The aviation forecast for Nice is for some rain overnight and F6-7 winds but nothing crazy.
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83 is having heavy rain in the hills and it’s putting pressure on the rivers and the high seas and wind direction is not helping
 
lol

01 Ain
02 Aisne
03 Allier
04 Alpes-de-Haute-Provence
05 Hautes-Alpes
06 Alpes-Maritimes
07 Ardèche
08 Ardennes
09 Ariège
10 Aube
11 Aude
12 Aveyron
13 Bouches-du-Rhône
14 Calvados
15 Cantal
16 Charente
17 Charente-Maritime
18 Cher
19 Corrèze
2A Corse-du-Sud
2B Haute-Corse
21 Côte d'Or
22 Côtes d'Armor
23 Creuse
24 Dordogne
25 Doubs
26 Drôme
27 Eure
28 Eure-et-Loir
29 Finistère
30 Gard
31 Haute-Garonne 32 Gers
33 Gironde
34 Hérault
35 Ille-et-Vilaine
36 Indre
37 Indre-et-Loire
38 Isère
39 Jura
40 Landes
41 Loir-et-Cher
42 Loire
43 Haute-Loire
44 Loire-Atlantique
45 Loiret
46 Lot
47 Lot-et-Garonne
48 Lozère
49 Maine-et-Loire
50 Manche
51 Marne
52 Haute-Marne
53 Mayenne
54 Moselle
55 Meuse
56 Morbihan
57 Meurthe-et-Moselle
58 Nièvre
59 Nord
60 Oise
61 Orne
62 Pas-de-Calais
63 Puy-de-Dôme
64 Pyrénées-Atlantiques 65 Hautes-Pyrénées
66 Pyrénées Orientales
67 Bas-Rhin
68 Haut-Rhin
69 Rhône
70 Haute-Saône
71 Saône-et-Loire
72 Sarthe
73 Savoie
74 Haute-Savoie
75 Paris
76 Seine-Maritime
77 Seine-et-Marne
78 Yvelines
79 Deux-Sèvres
80 Somme
81 Tarn
82 Tarn-et-Garonne
83 Var
84 Vaucluse
85 Vendée
86 Vienne
87 Haute-Vienne
88 Vosges
89 Yonne
90 Territoire de Belfort
91 Essonne
92 Hauts-de-Seine
93 Seine-Saint-Denis
94 Val-de-Marne
95 Val-d'Oise
2A Corse-du-Sud (Ajaccio)
2B Corse-Haute (Bastia)
 
Bouba said:
Yes Mike. The rich people are in 06 and the poor people in 83?
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Quite right. I take it there are armed guards patrolling the border to stop the proles in 83 migrating into 06? We in 06 should take back control;)
 
Deleted User said:
Quite right. I take it there are armed guards patrolling the border to stop the proles in 83 migrating into 06? We in 06 should take back control;)
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The well spoken ones are allowed to serve you in your overpriced boutiques and on your big boats ?

Ps It’s still thunderstorms and heavy rain here.
 
Deleted User said:
I'm going to put my boat on the market pronto. There'll be a few Italian owners with insurance pay outs burning holes in their pockets soon and desperate for a boat for next season;)

There will also be a few smart Italian boats on Ebay soon at remarkably low prices
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What is the typical process for many of these damaged/destroyed boats.

Do the insurers sell them on to salvage companies, who then decide whether to strip and sell parts or attempt to repair and re-market.
How easy it is to identify if a boat has had history of material damage, is there any legal obligation for the seller to be transparent ?
 
Everything that was washed up on the shore was being destroyed by the council. No owners were allowed to salvage anything, they said anything on government property was scrap and that owners would have to claim on their insurance. The Captains and two crew were allowed 20 minutes only to retrieve property from the stricken vessels even though there was no real danger as the surge had retreated and most boats were grounded.

One captain was furious because his classic 1950's dinghy which had simply floated ashore and was undamaged was being scrapped along with a £4000 commercial life raft that had not gone off. There was nothing that could be done they were not going to allow people even with ships papers to retrieve anything from the shore.
 
NGM said:
What is the typical process for many of these damaged/destroyed boats.

Do the insurers sell them on to salvage companies, who then decide whether to strip and sell parts or attempt to repair and re-market.
How easy it is to identify if a boat has had history of material damage, is there any legal obligation for the seller to be transparent ?
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I was based in La Rochelle ( and on the boat with my 2 year old) about 9 years ago when it got hit by a storm / surge.

In the weeks the followed I know a lot of boat dealers were there looking for the damaged repairables they could buy from the insurers. I also know dealers that buy new ish boats that have been written off ( the older ones have no margin) to restore.

Cars are on hpi so you can see the history but it will mostly be buyer beware and your survey. I suspect but don’t know that a dealer who knows must disclose it
 
Seven Spades said:
Everything that was washed up on the shore was being destroyed by the council. No owners were allowed to salvage anything, they said anything on government property was scrap and that owners would have to claim on their insurance. The Captains and two crew were allowed 20 minutes only to retrieve property from the stricken vessels even though there was no real danger as the surge had retreated and most boats were grounded.

One captain was furious because his classic 1950's dinghy which had simply floated ashore and was undamaged was being scrapped along with a £4000 commercial life raft that had not gone off. There was nothing that could be done they were not going to allow people even with ships papers to retrieve anything from the shore.
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Wow. So if you leave something on the beach for 5 mins the council destroy it. Not sure that sounds right !
 
Seven Spades said:
Everything that was washed up on the shore was being destroyed by the council. No owners were allowed to salvage anything, they said anything on government property was scrap and that owners would have to claim on their insurance. The Captains and two crew were allowed 20 minutes only to retrieve property from the stricken vessels even though there was no real danger as the surge had retreated and most boats were grounded.

One captain was furious because his classic 1950's dinghy which had simply floated ashore and was undamaged was being scrapped along with a £4000 commercial life raft that had not gone off. There was nothing that could be done they were not going to allow people even with ships papers to retrieve anything from the shore.
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wow that sounds really extreme
 
Seven Spades said:
Everything that was washed up on the shore was being destroyed by the council. No owners were allowed to salvage anything, they said anything on government property was scrap and that owners would have to claim on their insurance. The Captains and two crew were allowed 20 minutes only to retrieve property from the stricken vessels even though there was no real danger as the surge had retreated and most boats were grounded.

One captain was furious because his classic 1950's dinghy which had simply floated ashore and was undamaged was being scrapped along with a £4000 commercial life raft that had not gone off. There was nothing that could be done they were not going to allow people even with ships papers to retrieve anything from the shore.
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Is this what is happening in Rapallo or what happened to other similar situations?
 
Here is a report from Boat International

Marina director Marina Scarpino told Italian news agency ANSA, "Ten-metre-high waves struck the rocks for hours and their force broke the storm barrier for 300 metres. After a collapse in 2000, because of another freak wave, we had rebuilt the dam higher by 1.3 metres taking it up to 6.5 metres. But it was not enough with this exceptional event."
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
Is this what is happening in Rapallo or what happened to other similar situations?
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I was wondering the same, though it seems that 7S is referring to the current situation.

I could also understand why nobody is allowed anywhere near the total mess atm, and that they have other priorities than following the requests of each captain/owner, but it seems way ott to scrap everything regardless... :/
 
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