Yet again, a report from sunshine Med - NOT!

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I'm going to put my boat on the market pronto. There'll be a few Italian owners with insurance pay outs burning holes in their pockets soon and desperate for a boat for next season;)

There will also be a few smart Italian boats on Ebay soon at remarkably low prices
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Yes it’s gonna be the eBay stuff that’s the problem filtering that .


I,ve thought about that the knock on effect locally .
Suppose we could look across the pond for guidance ? A lot of wrecked boats recently in the Caribbean/ Miami area .

A few scenarios

Some nice 25/30 M stuff on that outer wall .

Put folks off , the hassle - after the pay outs have a cooling off period or leave the hobby for the forceable future.

Insurance wrangles re repairs- yards booked up lots of stock left damaged waiting for a fix .
When fixed then after the boat is returned to the owner , marketed - this means if there ever will be a good reason for survey its stronger now for purchasers .

New build yards are busy so those who want to get on and boat next season will have to buy a used , thus tipping the balance of supply / demand in favour of a seller .

Local marina pressure as Rapallo is fixed and presumably improved .
I guess a IT bureaucratic farce will unfold .
There will be a report from an academic predicting this buried somewhere, ingnored because the owners / mayor or who ever did not want to spend .
It’s probably under insured , so again no cash about to top up the repairs .

There will be a scandal of the local mayor and regional gov and Rome pointing fingers and blaming each others rather than just fix it .
Once the money is in place there will be another scandal centred on corruption of how the main contractor ended up getting the job .

When they start work ......
Then another scandal part through the rebuild centred on the main contractor skimping on the spec .The stake holders who’s paying the bills quantity surveyor will disappear or fall off a building by accident !

It highly likely it will remain busted for years while scandal after scandal unfolds .
But they will get there ....... eventually!
Imho
 
50 knot southerlies forecast for Mallorca tonight

I agree there must be some price knock on given the scale of the damage.

Edit. Mallorca Facebook says 50 knots I cant see much above 30
 
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Portofino said:
I guess a IT bureaucratic farce will unfold .
There will be a report from an academic predicting this buried somewhere, ingnored because the owners / mayor or who ever did not want to spend .
It’s probably under insured , so again no cash about to top up the repairs .

There will be a scandal of the local mayor and regional gov and Rome pointing fingers and blaming each others rather than just fix it .
Once the money is in place there will be another scandal centred on corruption of how the main contractor ended up getting the job .

When they start work ......
Then another scandal part through the rebuild centred on the main contractor skimping on the spec .The stake holders who’s paying the bills quantity surveyor will disappear or fall off a building by accident !

It highly likely it will remain busted for years while scandal after scandal unfolds .
But they will get there ....... eventually!
Imho
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Intriguing perspective, but IT reputation for bureaucratic farces is challenged by several other Countries, lately.
For instance (mutatis mutandis) I can think of one which is already going through a much worse farce affecting its whole future... :rolleyes:
 
Looks terrible, that sea wall didn't seems to stand a chance. I wonder what sort of forces these walls are designed to withstand?

I always wonder about the wall in port Adriano in Mallorca where I keep my boat. It's just a straight vertical concrete wall ( with a lip at the top to deflect waves back outwards) with no rocks or other irregular structures to dissipate any force, you assume they have specified it and built it to be many times stronger than it ever would need to be,but you'd have thought that about the wall in Rapallo too
 
Our ne w home marina has a sea wall built in the 70's. Having seen photos of other similar marina in storms (e.g. Portals) I don't think I'd like to be moored on the quay to the land side of it. Thankfully we have been allocated a berth furthest from the sea wall and I hope that we can stay there permanently.
 
MapisM said:
Intriguing perspective, but IT reputation for bureaucratic farces is challenged by several other Countries, lately.
For instance (mutatis mutandis) I can think of one which is already going through a much worse farce affecting its whole future... :rolleyes:
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Agree P. It ill behoves anyone from a country that has inflicted upon itself one of the most egregious political and economic farces in history to criticise another country for their bureaucratic farces. Anyway, wasnt Rapallo marina built by Riva rather than the state?
 
Strangely enough my quip above knocking IT bureaucracy was was partly based on our own marina .
As some will know we are ( berthholders ) all share holders and the management team / directors/ board all elected and rotate .
There’s open transparency in the running .Part of that means picking up on the global warming / weather / sea water rise - etc etc direction of travel .
We did indeed commission a report and structural survey a couple of years back to assess the impact of theses let’s call them weather events .
It’s was not buried .
They recommended we raise the height of the jetties , a sea level rise issue .
This was discussed in a democratic way , voted on , planned works etc , and the cost spread out over the service charge .
We run a contingency fund as well and do not draw dividends.Our car park generates 0.8 M euro pa from none berthholders We own the shops on the marina ground and collect a service charge per sq M as well .

Point is this being brassed up and planning carefully last winter we finished the jetty work raising them a couple at a time in the winter using alloy beams to replace the steel as well as new service boxes .

The outer sea wall checked out fine btw it’s got those huge rocks piled up on the seaward side - agian regular maintenance.

Here’s a pic
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So my point is we’re they advised on the state of the outer wall , have they ever asked for advice, how proactive is the current management team ?

Hence my quip about “ report buried somewhere “

You make your own luck !

Good news is there will a mad scramble of marina operators reviewing there structural survey regime.
 
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Agree P. It ill behoves anyone from a country that has inflicted upon itself one of the most egregious political and economic farces in history to criticise another country for their bureaucratic farces. Anyway, wasnt Rapallo marina built by Riva rather than the state?
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The wall was designed for 6 meter real wave height. The waves which came on Monday night where ten meters and above.

Also here come the cherry on the cake, which I was told today from a reliable source.
That the break water wall was lowered some ten - fifteen years ago as some Rapallo residents said they could not see the Portofino sea side view from the town.
So the breakwater and the wall was lowered by three meters.
 
^^ Interesting reading.

I k now the tidal is very small (if anything) in the Med, but I still can't get my head round as to why floating pontoons (UK style) are not used.... is it because there are so many larger boats in the Med and they wouldn't take the strain? (I know Sant Carles has followed the UK method), or, does it just not make sense (until Global warming really kicks in and the levels rise)
 
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Also here come the cherry on the cake, which I was told today from a reliable source.
That the break water wall was lowered some ten - fifteen years ago as some Rapallo residents said they could not see the Portofino sea side view from the town.
So the breakwater and the wall was lowered by three meters.
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Blimey I hope those same residents now have 3m of seawater in their living rooms
 
alt said:
I k now the tidal is very small (if anything) in the Med, but I still can't get my head round as to why floating pontoons (UK style) are not used....
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Its about space. Stick floating pontoons in a marina and you take up some of the space that could be used for mooring boats. There is enormous pressure on mooring berths in the Med, particularly the W Med, and stern to mooring to the quay is the most efficient way of cramming boats into marinas. There is also the issue of whether engineers design a coastal structure for a once in 100yrs or 200yrs weather event or design it more cheaply for a once in 50yrs weather event and save a whole load of money. Thats the reality
 
Deleted User said:
Its about space. Stick floating pontoons in a marina and you take up some of the space that could be used for mooring boats. There is enormous pressure on mooring berths in the Med, particularly the W Med, and stern to mooring to the quay is the most efficient way of cramming boats into marinas. There is also the issue of whether engineers design a coastal structure for a once in 100yrs or 200yrs weather event or design it more cheaply for a once in 50yrs weather event and save a whole load of money. Thats the reality
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But also why would you want that?

Pontoon mooring is fan and hassle. Spring lines, getting on and off the boat at the side, fenders rubbing against the pontoon and hence our gel coat, fenders left, fenders right, no pontoon to hit - just enter the slot etc. I can honestly not really think of a single redeeming feature of a pontoon mooring other than washing the side of your boat.

Med mooring is simple. It is the same time and time again. Simple instructions to crew, fender heights rarely change, if suspended on three points (bow and 2 stern) the boat should not be touching anything - as long as the marina and other boats are respecting the width of the berth.
 
PowerYachtBlog said:
The wall was designed for 6 meter real wave height. The waves which came on Monday night where ten meters and above.

Also here come the cherry on the cake, which I was told today from a reliable source.
That the break water wall was lowered some ten - fifteen years ago as some Rapallo residents said they could not see the Portofino sea side view from the town.
So the breakwater and the wall was lowered by three meters.
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Bingo
Well there you have it .They have moved against the Dir of travel re sea defence.

Well setting the new H is gonna be a protracted bun fight taking years .

On the seafront along the drag twixt marina and the centre there are some old villas shuttered up and closed old “ grand esq “ old hotels ripe for development, apartmenting up , but the markets flat and there’s over supply forcing the return down , despite a better view theses days ,so that did not work - lowering the sea wall to stimulate developing.
 
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