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Good grief!

An MBY article on an Oyster LD43 gave some indicative parts pricing of injectors, alternator, raw water pump, etc.

I suppose, anybody specifying a new boat will be thinking they've got the warranty back up, but if you took a longer term view, there's nasty bite in the wallet potential if anything goes wrong.

I guess I don't understand the cost delta of a new engine vs a complete set of parts to build one, ok, there's the stocking and logistics cost, plus once out of production low volume manufacturing adder, but even so, the numbers seemed extraordinary.

A thread hereabouts caused me to go buy a copy of MBY, very little of the content is relevant to me or my type of boating, but its been an interesting read.
 
Set of yanmar seals and O rings for sail drive propeller shaft £150 inc vat
The U.S. Price $140 either way for 2 oilseals and 2 O rings it's way over
 
Massivly overpriced IMO. I was after some parts when I did my petrol to diesel conversion, things like shaft coupler @£4500, Bell housing @ £2000 and exhaust horn @ £800 or something. was a year ago so rusty on the exact prices. their only simple chunks of steel/alu...

in the end, i made the parts up from a good machinist, costing £800 all in and works very well!
 
burgundyben said:
Good grief!

An MBY article on an Oyster LD43 gave some indicative parts pricing of injectors, alternator, raw water pump, etc.

I suppose, anybody specifying a new boat will be thinking they've got the warranty back up, but if you took a longer term view, there's nasty bite in the wallet potential if anything goes wrong.

I guess I don't understand the cost delta of a new engine vs a complete set of parts to build one, ok, there's the stocking and logistics cost, plus once out of production low volume manufacturing adder, but even so, the numbers seemed extraordinary.

A thread hereabouts caused me to go buy a copy of MBY, very little of the content is relevant to me or my type of boating, but its been an interesting read.
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Breathtaking is a good description..............

I was offered a Yanmar 6LYA which had sucked up obstruction cooked the raw and picked up a piston causing some debris to exit via the turbo. Boat was just over a year old.
Insurance paid %age of new replacement motor.

No oversize piston therefore new block required £9,890, ker ching, turbo £3,028.74 ker ching, turbo gasket £54.34 ker ching. Water injection elbow was mislaid by contractor, oops £3,424.00 ker ching.

Rotating electrics only had 6 month warranty until recently, starter motor alternator a grand each!
 
Aren't they Toyota engines (perhaps not the marine bits).
A friend is having new belts fitted - apparently the Toyota road vehicle belts are a fraction of cost of the same thing from Yanma......and they are believed to be identical.
I guess you have to be selective about the parts that are suitable on a boat .
 
i think the 6lp is a toyota landcruiser engine, however the 4hla was designed from bottom up as a marine engine :(
 
I've just typed an invoice after servicing a pair of 6 LPs today , I supplied oil and fuel filters at nearly half the yanmar price in Baldwin and HIFI, impellers ok, anodes stupid, belts outrageous!!. People moan about Volvo, I rest my case.
 
I have 3.3L 4cyl Yanmar engines running my gensets (Kohler 28kVA's) and yep agreed the service parts pricing is obscene. Having said that, 7000hrs+ in 4yrs and they haven't missed a beat, so cost per hour? Probably the same as the average family car....
 
The 6lp is the toyota land cruiser engine and most service parts are available from a motor factors at a cost of pennies pump impellers are cheap & anodes are available from asap supplies (generic pencil anodes) I can service my engines without setting foot in a yanmar dealership you just need to know what your looking for
Even internal engine pares are toyota with the odd exception & from toyota they are roughly 50%less than yanmar.
The good thing is there are no electronics at all so all you need is a bag of spanners & you can fix anything .
unlike volvo who seem to need the dealers laptop at every little hiccup
I wouldn't even consider a modern volvo as there's not a week goes buy without a "volvo electrical gremlin thread"
Yanmars go wrong too but any decent mechanic can fix them which can't be said for a volvo with there dealer lockin computer systems
 
Beamishken said:
The 6lp is the toyota land cruiser engine and most service parts are available from a motor factors at a cost of pennies pump impellers are cheap & anodes are available from asap supplies (generic pencil anodes) I can service my engines without setting foot in a yanmar dealership you just need to know what your looking for
Even internal engine pares are toyota with the odd exception & from toyota they are roughly 50%less than yanmar.
The good thing is there are no electronics at all so all you need is a bag of spanners & you can fix anything .
unlike volvo who seem to need the dealers laptop at every little hiccup
I wouldn't even consider a modern volvo as there's not a week goes buy without a "volvo electrical gremlin thread"
Yanmars go wrong too but any decent mechanic can fix them which can't be said for a volvo with there dealer lockin computer systems
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Yanmar LP like older VP mechanical engines are history so not really apples for apples comparison.

At least Volvo have one tool, Yanmar electronic tooling strategy was a complete muddle. Yanmar 6LYA3 has one tool, BMW based BY has another and when they were selling the badge engineered Scania as the SY Series required yet another tool.

The LYA3 is a particularly half baked motor unlike the stellar 6LYA2, uses a unique dumb mechanical pump with a smart electronic governor, still white smokes at start up and AFC control requires dealer lap top intervention to adjust performance/black smoke balance. Fuel system can only be serviced by the distributor and is $$$.

I am no VP person but D6/D4 uses plan old Bosch CP3 common rail with service available anywhere, if you need a re-conditioned injector most Bosch shops dong them at £115 exchange these days, however I have no clue as to whether replacement injectors require coding in with Vodia.

Yanamar small engines, particularly 3 and 4HLA are solid, purchased some ex MOD generators which had been used in Kosovo, all had significant hours on them 10,000 plus. I sold the most tired one with 15,000 hours to a farmer, now 18,000 hrs with just one oil change, thermostat and a lift pump.
 
6lp's still available from barrus & I was specifically seeking of the 6lp's so it is a valid comparison
I know 4lh is a good engine but parts are yanmar specific& therefore very expensive
I think you'll find everything volvo needs coding even helm units need coding I doubt you could change an injector without a vodia
I can't understand how volvo get away with it when all the motor manufacturers were made to release diagnostic data to the aftermarket
 
Beamishken said:
6lp's still available from barrus & I was specifically seeking of the 6lp's so it is a valid comparison
I know 4lh is a good engine but parts are yanmar specific& therefore very expensive
I think you'll find everything volvo needs coding even helm units need coding I doubt you could change an injector without a vodia
I can't understand how volvo get away with it when all the motor manufacturers were made to release diagnostic data to the aftermarket
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You can change an injector without Vodia.
 
Beamishken said:
6lp's still available from barrus & I was specifically seeking of the 6lp's so it is a valid comparison
I know 4lh is a good engine but parts are yanmar specific& therefore very expensive
I think you'll find everything volvo needs coding even helm units need coding I doubt you could change an injector without a vodia
I can't understand how volvo get away with it when all the motor manufacturers were made to release diagnostic data to the aftermarket
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6LP's came out of Yanmar plant in U.S, once engine was no longer legal to sell in EPA regulated territories production was wound up.

Only legal to sell in Europe due to sloppy drafting of RCD legislation and one has to assume stuff dribbling through is old stock. Long post on here while back had injector hosing causing piston failure and replacement engine was not available from the distributor. In its time 6LP was a good motor, far better than equivalent Volvo however that time has now passed not sure when production builder last used them and no point installing them in vessel requiring RCD certification as one would have to complete the certification process all over again now RCD2 is in place. I am very wary of run out motors. Certainly no competitor for D4/6 these days.

All manufacturers electronic tooling is a bit of a closed shop, although it appears that VP is more closed than most. Manufacturers tools can perform tasks that you would not generally want to get into the hands of the aftermarket. By comparison generic EOBD stuff in cars/trucks is a lot less onerous.
 
Barrus still have stock but obviously it is going to end my concern is what to replace my boat with once the time comes as I'd never buy an engine I'd need so much dealer input from.
I'll be watching the situation closely & see which manufacture a lows diagnostic tools into aftermarket & look to purchase their product someone will see the sense in allowing user diagnosis for far flung areas
Most engines now are reliable but are let down by electronics or the cost of them
It'll be interesting to see how things pan out in the next few years I
 
Beamishken said:
Barrus still have stock but obviously it is going to end my concern is what to replace my boat with once the time comes as I'd never buy an engine I'd need so much dealer input from.
I'll be watching the situation closely & see which manufacture a lows diagnostic tools into aftermarket & look to purchase their product someone will see the sense in allowing user diagnosis for far flung areas
Most engines now are reliable but are let down by electronics or the cost of them
It'll be interesting to see how things pan out in the next few years I
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The reality of the situation is that electronic engines are actually more reliable than than mechanical.

Cummins sells laptop based INSITE tool in a version with some dealer functionality removed called INSITE Lite as well as Quickcheck hand held diagnostic tool.

99.9% of marine engine problems relate to dirty fuel.
 
Latestarter1 said:
The reality of the situation is that electronic engines are actually more reliable than than mechanical.

Cummins sells laptop based INSITE tool in a version with some dealer functionality removed called INSITE Lite as well as Quickcheck hand held diagnostic tool.

99.9% of marine engine problems relate to dirty fuel.
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So how come there is rarely a week goes bye without another volvo electrical gremlins thread .The biggest downer for me & probably a lot of mechanically minded owners is the need for dealer input with his cherished laptop. If a diagnostic tool is available with even limited functionality then it's probably a big help & worth having on board for that Sunday afternoon when the engine goes into limp mode & you just know the dealer won't be able to look at it untill Thursday or Friday too late to save the following weekend
it's ok when things are under warranty but as things get older then most people don't want to pay dealer bills & want to be able to fix stuff themselves
it must start costing volvo sales as residuals will fall eventually as people will see them as a liability
 
Beamishken said:
So how come there is rarely a week goes bye without another volvo electrical gremlins thread .The biggest downer for me & probably a lot of mechanically minded owners is the need for dealer input with his cherished laptop. If a diagnostic tool is available with even limited functionality then it's probably a big help & worth having on board for that Sunday afternoon when the engine goes into limp mode & you just know the dealer won't be able to look at it untill Thursday or Friday too late to save the following weekend
it's ok when things are under warranty but as things get older then most people don't want to pay dealer bills & want to be able to fix stuff themselves
it must start costing volvo sales as residuals will fall eventually as people will see them as a liability
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Its really not as bad as it sounds, as already said, most problems are caused by bad fuel, in all the years I have been working with Volvo engines I have not dealt with that many failures that have been serious, most problems I have diagnosed using the fault codes from the EVC display and not even plugged in the Vodia, that is only required when updating software, I could have done most of my work as a dealer without even having a Vodia, its realy so simple that once you understand how things work you will not regret owning one.
Onto to Yanmar again that's another story, when trying to sort issue with a 6 SY the only way forward was by using a Scania dealer with his laptop who could access what was necessary to identify the fault, that would probrably explain why the 6 SY never was a popular option here and never sold as it should.
 
Bear in mind Volvo Penta have a large market share both in total and in new diesel powered sport boats. This can skew perceptions because if you hear twice as many bad things about VP than obscure brand Z and VP has 5 x the market share than brand Z then VP may be the more reliable option.

All sports boat diesel engines are going more technical they have to, all sports boat diesel engines are trying temo save weight and improve power curve.

I agree with LS a large part of the problems with modern sports engines is dirty fuel and sloppy fuel care and filtration. Then add in Bio Fuel, little use, damp conditions on a boat and a bit of corrosion and that is a large part of the problems.

Like motor cars today and 20 years ago there is no comparison in complexity due to having to hit the emission standards.

Being used to Volvo Penta parts pricing which I find not cheap but their availability and delivery times in the marine world are probably top of the tree ( all this comes at a cost) then compare it with Yanmar where we are talking not % more expensive but factors more expensive, are they made of gold?
 
It's not the fact that things go wrong with vp that puts me off, 30 years motor trade experience taught me things do go wrong & you have to get on & fix it.the none start for me is the total reliance on dealer support which at best seems a bit of a post code lottery
evinrude free issue diagnostic data which means owners can self diagnose why can't other companies
I've read countless threads on here with frustrated owners with recurring faults & expensive parts replaced without fixing the fault
Even helm units require programming to the engine before use
it just seems volvo don't want owners to be able to self maintain & untill that situation changes 'I'm out'
 
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