Yachts as sheds?

[waynes world]

Why? It's horrible being on the hard, and they were there first ?‍

If you read post post 37 that will explain why i think if your not cruising and making proper use of a boat and as a static caravan then...

 

[KevinV]

If you read post post 37 that will explain why i think if your not cruising and making proper use of a boat and as a static caravan then...

"Proper use" being a matter of opinion - I choose to try to look at it from the other person's point of view - they keep their boat for a reason that makes sense to them.

 

[Black Sheep]

It seems a few folk on here dont get what boats are for

Oh, I think we all get what boats are for.
But my idea of what boats are for, may be different from yours.

 

[Flynnbarr]

It seems a few folk on here dont get what boats are for and how hard places are to get moorings. .
If folk have a boat and dont visit it, use it, then they should let somebody who really wants to have a mooring to keep a boat that will use there boat, then they should let the boat go and sell it, or if they still want to use it but no go anywhere then stick on the hard and use it as a caravan that way and not be selfish to real boaters.

Surprised at this Wayne,I thought you’d be a live and let live sorta guy…..your neighbours obviously are!
Why would people give up something others want if it gives them pleasure….different strokes for different folks.
No criticism from me just an observation

 

[Adios]

if it gives them pleasure….

I'm in 2 minds on this, maybe it comes down to the scarcity of moorings in the area. I don't think anyone is saying that someone getting pleasure should be stopped, but its a bizarre thing for people to keep paying fees for something they never use. Is their pleasure got from throwing money away? Honestly for some people I think it would do them good to have their hand forced a bit so they sell up, give them the excuse they needed. If its a high demand area it is a bit daft to sit back and watch these boats rot while people who would get real pleasure from using a boat there are unable to.

 

[waynes world]

Surprised at this Wayne,I thought you’d be a live and let live sorta guy…..your neighbours obviously are!
Why would people give up something others want if it gives them pleasure….different strokes for different folks.
No criticism from me just an observation

I am not saying folk that dont use the boat to get rid of the boat. far from saying that, just put on the hard to a person can use amooring for wen there not cruising. . but i see the decent thing, as i would do myself 100%, and let the use of a mooring go to somebody that wants to use it as a mooring so they can go and cruise then moor up at the mooring. if folk dont want to go out on there boat then why have it in the water if moorings are hard to come by .

I think my frustration on this subject is from where i am up here where folk either just dont use there boat at all and the boat are left to rot. or just use it on the mooring now and then, and i mean maybe a few days a year, it annoying when its very hard to get a mooring for folk that realy want to get about on there boats.

I know of to areas where there are mooring, one has a good thirty moorings. And i was moored there i only seen maybe six boats be visited. Another place maybe 50% of the couple of dozen boat were visited.

So you can see from that how hard it is to get a mooring.

I am an easy go chap but some things are annoying.

 

[fifer]

There's parallels here with holiday homes that sit empty most of the year. The owners would argue that they own it fair and square and can do what they like with it, even if some people would say its financially mad and it creates problems for others in the area who would like access to the same resource and would use it full time.

Land access is another example - see recent demos in England to get the same right to roam laws as are had in Scotland.

Fundamentally we live in a country where there is hoarding and monopolising of various types of resource by the wealthy at the expense of everyone else. Just take a look around to see what problems that is causing.

The bigger principle here is do we see more value in create means through which current and future generations can explore boating in a way which is accessible and affordable, which might mean curtailing the rights of some of those who aren't using sailing resources in an efficient way. Or do we prioritise a 'I was here first, I'll do what I like culture' and let sailing wither and die.

 

[waynes world]

Look at this way. a couple of the Marinas up here i worked at on at a regular basis both have 2 year waiting list for moorings, and these have boats moored up and not been used for years. some in such bad repair it shocking.

is that right ?

That to me is selfish and unthaughtfull.

 

[Daverw]

I do think when there is a long waiting list very unused boats will effectively bed block, at a sailing club this could eventually kill the club, those who do visit their boats don’t also visit the club, how do new members get into sailing? If the club is not about racing but cruising owning your own boat with family is what many new sailers want. Easy for us with moorings to say if they pay each year ok but put your self in the other position and you may think differently. Putting none sailed boats on the hard is an answer for some

 

[nortada]

Look at this way. a couple of the Marinas up here i worked at on at a regular basis both have 2 year waiting list for moorings, and these have boats moored up and not been used for years. some in such bad repair it shocking.

is that right ?

That to me is selfish and unthaughtfull.

Is your issue state of repair or usage

If it is usage, do you define it as purely sailing Others may define usage as sitting on their boat or using it as a centre of activities - rather like a holiday cottage. Some like to renovate their pride and joy, rather than sail it. Should they be denied a mooring

You suggest some seldom visit their boat. Unless you are there 24/7, how do you know

I would contend that they all have a much right to remain in their berth as you do to go sailing so you have no case to have your interests put before theirs.

An after thought, if it is allowed, they may like to just sit and fish from their boat.

Many roads to Rome.

 

[waynes world]

Is your issue state of repair or usage

If it is usage, do you define it as purely sailing Others may define usage as sitting on their boat or using it as a centre of activities - rather like a holiday cottage. Some like to renovate their pride and joy, rather than sail it. Should they be denied a mooring

You suggest some seldom visit their boat. Unless you are there 24/7, how do you know

I would contend that they all have a much right to remain in their berth as you do to go sailing so you have no case to have your interests put before theirs.

An after thought, if it is allowed, they may like to just sit and fish from their boat.

Many roads to Rome.

I dont need to be there 24/7 to know if the boats are visited. i spoke to the marina staff and boaters that are there. some boats you can clearly see they are not visited when the grass is so overgrown around mooring and to get to the mooring .

I have never said they dont have a right to do what they want with there mooring, what i am saying is above.

 

[Boathook]

I've camped on my boat when ashore in the winter and I don't like. Its much easier when afloat.
Sometimes it is difficult to tell who uses their boat, and so far this year mine has had very little use due to circumstances. I'm hoping that next month that will alter but she is ready for sailing or even use as houseboat.
When I worked and only able to at weekends, I never saw aboat behind me being used. They thought the same about mine as they only ever went down during the week.

 

[dgadee]

Just stopped offat one of the harbours I mentioned. Both visitors' boys used. Loafs of people about on ribs and a cruiser getting buoys out for racing. I said where best to anchor (moorings take up the marked anchorage area). One shrugged his shoulders and grunted. No one else said anything.

Lovely, I thought.

 

[ylop]

Do people use them as cheap holiday homes? I'm sure I've seen some in nice locations are being let out on Airbnb not for sailing just staying on.

I wonder if one of them is going to have a disaster sometime and then MCGA will suddenly show regulatory / coding interest? Or perhaps LAs will get their first with control of casual lets. I’m not sure id even let non sailing friend/family stay in my boat (if it were in a marina) given the potential to do stupid stuff - never mind the public.

Bit cheeky is on publicly subsidised moorings

are any moorings subsidised? I’d be staggered if any local authority was running the luxury of boating at a loss - perhaps visitor moorings to drive traffic but permanent moorings?

Allotment associations are pretty swift to move on anyone who is not actively using their plot.

allotment committees can be some of the loveliest but also some of the nastiest judgemental people! If we want to encourage more people into sailing having some old codger with a clipboard complaining that your fenders were attached with the wrong kno

I'm in 2 minds on this, maybe it comes down to the scarcity of moorings in the area. I don't think anyone is saying that someone getting pleasure should be stopped, but its a bizarre thing for people to keep paying fees for something they never use. Is their pleasure got from throwing money away?

perhaps they can some pleasure from having the option

while people who would get real pleasure from using a boat there are unable to.

I wonder how many people are REALLY stopped by only not having a mooring? Or is that a convenient excuse?

I do think when there is a long waiting list very unused boats will effectively bed block, at a sailing club this could eventually kill the club, those who do visit their boats don’t also visit the club, how do new members get into sailing? If the club is not about racing but cruising owning your own boat with family is what many new sailers want.

how viable for new mooring associations to set up? Or existing clubs to extend? Nothing to stop clubs adding rules about condition / use / frequency of inspection etc if their committee believe it helps the viability of the club.

I wonder which is worse?The family who turn up every weekend take the boat away and just straight back in the car to go home; the old guy who is always pottering round the boat but never moves it anywhere; the guy with the boat who doesn’t move it but is in the bar every Fri and Sat spending money; or the family who are club regulars whilst kids are at school but then when they go to Uni dry up until grand children come along 20 yrs later…

 

[Adios]

I wonder how many people are REALLY stopped by only not having a mooring? Or is that a convenient excuse?

Its a fairly fundamental need isn't it. Not having a mooring will 100% stop someone having a boat unless they just want a DIY hobby in their drive.

Ask people who manage mooring waiting lists and you'll find many times by the time they have a space and offer it to people years later quite a few are no longer in a position or lost interest. A lot of lists need you to pay something upfront so I think its safe to say more than a few are genuinely ready to take a mooring shortages are really preventing people from being new boat owners ready to put fresh money into the industry.

 

[Chiara’s slave]

We’d like a different mooring in Yarmouth. An upgrade from RIB to 10.5m cruiser. 3 years wait so far.

 

[ylop]

Its a fairly fundamental need isn't it. Not having a mooring will 100% stop someone having a boat unless they just want a DIY hobby in their drive.

Or it will force them to consider other options: trailer sailing, laying their own mooring, travelling further to a less overcrowded club/area, chartering, etc.

Ask people who manage mooring waiting lists and you'll find many times by the time they have a space and offer it to people years later quite a few are no longer in a position or lost interest.

I know allotment lists are similar (despite the military style inspections in some allotments!) - I also know that many are not great at communicating to their prospective users - the list is an inconvenience / quick way to fill a vacancy. I suspect most mooring secretaries are volunteers who have little to gain from seeking at increase the number of the moorings or encouraging lots of new people who are clueless with questions rather than existing people who pay and make no fuss!

mooring shortages are really preventing people from being new boat owners ready to put fresh money into the industry.

Cynically - are the people desperate for a cheap mooring in over populated areas the ones with lots of £££ to spend? Or are these exactly the sort of people who buy a boat and then lose interest? I may be wrong - because I'm not in the overcrowded south. Anyone who was really keen could always move to somewhere less congested.

 

[Adios]

I suspect most mooring secretaries are volunteers who have little to gain from seeking at increase the number of the moorings or encouraging lots of new people who are clueless with questions rather than existing people who pay and make no fuss!

Cynically - are the people desperate for a cheap mooring in over populated areas the ones with lots of £££ to spend? Or are these exactly the sort of people who buy a boat and then lose interest? I may be wrong - because I'm not in the overcrowded south. Anyone who was really keen could always move to somewhere less congested.

Who said cheap mooring? On the Teign I can get a cheap mooring for a sub 22ft boat now but a more expensive mooring for a more expensive boat big enough for my family is a multi year waiting list. The wait would effect everyone equally so your assumption it just affects skinflints and passing fancyists makes no sense. It feels like you're arguing for the sake of it though. On the one hand you think mooring management might be a problem for being lazy then its the prospective tenants fault for not uprooting their lives just to get a mooring somewhere less southern. I think this thread has raised a valid point really. Something should be done!!!!!!! It won't of course.

 

[Flynnbarr]

This thread reads like most other things in society…….I want what that person has and I want it now and I want someone to do something about it now.
There is far too much envy is this country as it is.

 

[fifer]

This thread reads like most other things in society…….I want what that person has and I want it now and I want someone to do something about it now.
There is far too much envy is this country as it is.

Seriously, do you not think there's any circumstances under which it might make sense to move on the rotten old boats that are rarely visited and never sail to make way for those with a bit more enthusiasm and commitment?

This thread reads like most other things in society.... i got mine, screw you. There's far too much greed as it is.