Adios
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Unless you have a surfeit of free night watchmen be thankful for the odd liveaboard near your boat
Yachts as sheds?
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Adios
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Are they not subsidising the rest of us? If everyone who doesn't use their boat stops paying marina fees they'd all go bust
Adios
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It came up in another thread recently, can't remember with 100% certainty but I think he said 84% of boats in his lock controlled marina which kept records didn't leave in a year. Its a real eye opener isn't it. And so strange that there seems to be a shortage of boats for sale and higher prices than normal. If/when things get tougher in the economy thats a hell of a lot of boats people won't miss very much.
Biggles Wader
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I don't really care how other people use or don't use their boats as long as they are not a risk to anyone else.
Momac
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Why Mobo's ?
A raggie near me hasn't moved since it arrived 10 years ago. One ashore has been there longer. And singe the marina is almost entirely occupied by motorboats there are of course motorboats that do not move.
I would say the boats that don't move are fine as they leave more space for me when I go out.
There is no way long term customers should be asked to leave providing they pay their fees and providing their boat is kept reasonably clean
Frogmogman
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The reasoning behind the Toulon rule, is that they are publicly owned marinas, which are cheaper than commercial ones, so a berth holder who never uses his boat is depriving someone on the waiting list of using a public facility, but also the owners of a boat that isn’t used are unlikely to be spending money in the shops and restaurants in the town.
Adios
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Do people use them as cheap holiday homes? I'm sure I've seen some in nice locations are being let out on Airbnb not for sailing just staying on. Bit cheeky is on publicly subsidised moorings
nortada
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So long as the vessels are in good state of repair (commensurate with other vessels in the harbour/marina), all dues paid and they comply with local bylaws (which many liveaboards do not), not only would a let them stay, I would welcome them.
As to forcing them to go to sea - why should they
Are similar dictates issued on inland vessels - must leave the mooring/marina once a year. However, for reasons of safety, the vessel should be able to move under it’s own power.Many elder gentlemen need the man/potting shed. Some like an allotment with it; others prefer theirs to float.
For the record both of my boats go to sea regularly but as the years progress this is likely to become an increasingly rare event. Rather I will potter on board and mull over a life well lived, possibly over a glass or 2 with like minded friends.
Live and let live.?
ctva
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Next it will be like a lot of caravan sites, nothing over 10 years old and must be kept polished to look nice.
ProDave
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Very true. I didn't say it bothered me that he appeared to be living aboard, just that it is against the harbour rules. At least he is "using" his boat. You have to walk past this "liveaboard" on the pontoon to get to most of the boats, so he would be well placed to keep an eye on comings and goings.
wombat88
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It is said that in Chichester marina only a maximum of a third of the boats are ever out at the same time...and it is always the same third.
Bearing in mind queues for locks etc this is a good thing.
Bearing in mind queues for locks etc this is a good thing.
dgadee
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I believe that happens now
PeterV
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I’m on the waiting list for a council mooring on the Hamble. Being an expensive place to keep a boat you’d think all the boats would be in use, but there’s lots of moorings unoccupied from year to year and many (just) floating wrecks occupying moorings. I presume they're paying their fees each year and so nothing can be done.
Adios
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How about make it a 5 year limit on council moorings, going to the bottom of the list if they want to get back on. The list would move much faster then and the owner might rediscover his love of sailing when he's forced to move the boat to another mooring. Or admit that its all too much now and sell it. Having that limit looming might encourage people to make better use while they have it.
dgadee
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How do the French do it? They have a younger set of sailors than here. They must have a way of making space for them.
fifer
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Allotment associations are pretty swift to move on anyone who is not actively using their plot. The rationale being that a) it allows weeds to proliferate making life more difficult for everyone else, and b) that they usually have a queue of people who do actually want to contribute to the life and soul of the place.
I don't think its entirely unreasonable to want marinas/moorings associations to be operated in a similarish way (up to a point, obviously they have to wash their face as businesses). Perhaps conditions relating to social responsibility, encouraging younger sailors, making space for those with a bit less cash etc should be written into the terms when leases are granted or renewed.
I don't think its entirely unreasonable to want marinas/moorings associations to be operated in a similarish way (up to a point, obviously they have to wash their face as businesses). Perhaps conditions relating to social responsibility, encouraging younger sailors, making space for those with a bit less cash etc should be written into the terms when leases are granted or renewed.
waynes world
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It seems a few folk on here dont get what boats are for and how hard places are to get moorings. .
If folk have a boat and dont visit it, use it, then they should let somebody who really wants to have a mooring to keep a boat that will use there boat, then they should let the boat go and sell it, or if they still want to use it but no go anywhere then stick on the hard and use it as a caravan that way and not be selfish to real boaters.
If folk have a boat and dont visit it, use it, then they should let somebody who really wants to have a mooring to keep a boat that will use there boat, then they should let the boat go and sell it, or if they still want to use it but no go anywhere then stick on the hard and use it as a caravan that way and not be selfish to real boaters.
KevinV
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I think it's a really tough one, I get that there's a real shortage of cheap and desirable moorings (I'm struggling to find one), but........ when my sailing days are over I might rather like visiting the boat, making a cup of tea or having a wee dram and a snooze on board, dreaming of all the fun we had, the places we went....
Or, if I had a really hectic, stressful life the IDEA of escaping to/with the boat might be the only thing keeping me sane.
We're all dreamers, otherwise we wouldn't own boats, it seems a bit harsh to judge someone else's dream as not being right because it's not the same as yours.
Or, if I had a really hectic, stressful life the IDEA of escaping to/with the boat might be the only thing keeping me sane.
We're all dreamers, otherwise we wouldn't own boats, it seems a bit harsh to judge someone else's dream as not being right because it's not the same as yours.
waynes world
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KevinV
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Why? It's horrible being on the hard, and they were there first ?
