BrendanS
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Gludy
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HLB old chap....
I do understand that its an excercise.
its just that given the problem there is more than one solution and the better one may allow for little practical things like htting things............. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
I do understand that its an excercise.
its just that given the problem there is more than one solution and the better one may allow for little practical things like htting things............. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
fireball
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give us another solution then ...
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Gludy
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Fireball
No I have not missed any points.
In the case in question the figures quoted to me where 5 knots, 10 m visibility.
In practice below 5 knots a lot of boat are slow and difficult to steer anyway.
All I am saying is that if you were given the problem in real life with the quoted conditions you would be safer trying to avoid buopys all together and would realise that even if you tried to spot them the accuracy needed may be too much.
No I have not missed any points.
In the case in question the figures quoted to me where 5 knots, 10 m visibility.
In practice below 5 knots a lot of boat are slow and difficult to steer anyway.
All I am saying is that if you were given the problem in real life with the quoted conditions you would be safer trying to avoid buopys all together and would realise that even if you tried to spot them the accuracy needed may be too much.
fireball
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so .. your instructed that you have 10m vis and boat speed is 5knots ... and have no radar...
you do as the instructor says ???
Perhaps the first command would be to reduce speed ....
If you cannot control your boat at less than 5 knots then perhaps a suitable drogue to slow you down whilst keeping power on would help (I don't know ... just thinking aloud ... ) cos a lot of boats can go less than 5 knots and maintain way.
you do as the instructor says ???
Perhaps the first command would be to reduce speed ....
If you cannot control your boat at less than 5 knots then perhaps a suitable drogue to slow you down whilst keeping power on would help (I don't know ... just thinking aloud ... ) cos a lot of boats can go less than 5 knots and maintain way.
BrendanS
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if you miss the buoy you fail. Is that too difficult to understand?
In retrospect, what you are saying is you don't understand these exercises as you couldn't meet the qualifying standards, so no wonder you are confused?
In retrospect, what you are saying is you don't understand these exercises as you couldn't meet the qualifying standards, so no wonder you are confused?
Gludy
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Brendan
You mus be amongst the best assumers around here ..... where has anything I have stated led to your assumption that I could be scared of the test?
All I am doing is questioning some figures that if used lead to possible collisions with buoys and hence in practice, I am stating that it is surely better to avoid buoy hopping with 10 m visibility ...... please explain how may questions lead you to your assumptions about me?
If the god of all instructors arrived on my boat and asked me to do something I did not understand, I would question it. If then the instructor could not answer or did not answer the question, I would not be able to accept that.
You it seems are different.
Did you not pass me the other day in fog belting along the M27 in the outside lane at 80 mph ..... was that you? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
You mus be amongst the best assumers around here ..... where has anything I have stated led to your assumption that I could be scared of the test?
All I am doing is questioning some figures that if used lead to possible collisions with buoys and hence in practice, I am stating that it is surely better to avoid buoy hopping with 10 m visibility ...... please explain how may questions lead you to your assumptions about me?
If the god of all instructors arrived on my boat and asked me to do something I did not understand, I would question it. If then the instructor could not answer or did not answer the question, I would not be able to accept that.
You it seems are different.
Did you not pass me the other day in fog belting along the M27 in the outside lane at 80 mph ..... was that you? /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
BrendanS
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You are nit picking what is required rather than getting on with it. An examiner would fail you on that alone.
fireball
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So if this is just the problem of 10m vis theortical nav in a test then I cannot see what the problem is ...
the aim of the task is to see if you can navigate quickly and effectively whilst flying blind ... there is NO chance of you hitting the target because there will be someone with a visual on the senario. By asking you to navigate to a buoy it gives the instructor quick and easy confirmation of your abilities (or not) to navigate.
the aim of the task is to see if you can navigate quickly and effectively whilst flying blind ... there is NO chance of you hitting the target because there will be someone with a visual on the senario. By asking you to navigate to a buoy it gives the instructor quick and easy confirmation of your abilities (or not) to navigate.
fireball
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Anyway - y are you missing CS prac ?? you said you'd done Dazed Kipper prac & YM theory ... ??
BrendanS
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there is no chance he'd hit it. He's still be arguing with, and failing the exam, 2 hours earlier
fireball
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BrendanS
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Let me put this another way.
You can go rest of your life like Haydn. Exams don't matter, practical experience does.
Or you can go down exam route, in which case they will give you theoretical situations. The theoretical situation doesn't really matter in real life. They just want to know if you can do it. The real situation will come later
You can go rest of your life like Haydn. Exams don't matter, practical experience does.
Or you can go down exam route, in which case they will give you theoretical situations. The theoretical situation doesn't really matter in real life. They just want to know if you can do it. The real situation will come later
theforeman
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i wasn`t trying to insult you but now i`m sorely tempted.
why don`t you take up golf.
why don`t you take up golf.
fireball
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Interestingly .. our Night sail with fog was meant to be our DS night navigation task ... (with visual nav - it was only DS!) ... having motored out of Cowes and nearly at the Bramble bank (heading towards the Hamble) the lights on Fawley tower disappeared rather quickly ... we continued only because we had the chart nav running (below) and it was an interesting excercise ... otherwise we'd've turned back - as Cowes was still clear ...
Heard a couple of big buggers go out - but as we were out of the channel we were safe .....
Heard a couple of big buggers go out - but as we were out of the channel we were safe .....
Gludy
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But why make it complicated with all that?
Why not choose an alternative tactic that uses the contours and DR but avoids obtacles such as buoys?
Why not choose an alternative tactic that uses the contours and DR but avoids obtacles such as buoys?
fireball
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he'd be concerned about getting hit by the balls ...
questioning the professional on the techniques ... sure that the pro was wrong... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
and anyway - you can't use Radar or a liferaft on a golf course ... well - not for what they were designed for neway!
questioning the professional on the techniques ... sure that the pro was wrong... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
and anyway - you can't use Radar or a liferaft on a golf course ... well - not for what they were designed for neway!
Gludy
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brendan
I do not know hwy you make all these points about failure etc - we are taling about one specific issue that you choose to ignore. So stop harping on .... please.
I do not know hwy you make all these points about failure etc - we are taling about one specific issue that you choose to ignore. So stop harping on .... please.
fireball
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Because how else is the instructor going to test you ... ??
Nav to a buoy is SO EASY to check if you've got it right ... look ... there it is(n't) .... why make life difficult?
Nav to a buoy is SO EASY to check if you've got it right ... look ... there it is(n't) .... why make life difficult?
fireball
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So stop harping on .... please.
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So stop harping on .... please.
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