BrendanS
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because you can't see the obvious?
Why not try it, and see how you get on, then come back and tell us it's crap?
Why not try it, and see how you get on, then come back and tell us it's crap?
yachtmaster
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Gludy
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Brendan
I am totally fed up with your stupid, of point comments always personal and always without any depth of thought.
I asked yopu a specif question but as usual just get the untkingking comments back.
"if you miss the buoy you fail. Is that too difficult to understand?"
So you can over a distance of say fibe miles steer your boat using copmass and depth sounder to be always within 30 foot? Is that how accurate you can manage it?
If you answer yes then you are living in a dream world.
I am reaching the point where its easier to turn you off my forum view because you are incapable of serious discussion.
I am totally fed up with your stupid, of point comments always personal and always without any depth of thought.
I asked yopu a specif question but as usual just get the untkingking comments back.
"if you miss the buoy you fail. Is that too difficult to understand?"
So you can over a distance of say fibe miles steer your boat using copmass and depth sounder to be always within 30 foot? Is that how accurate you can manage it?
If you answer yes then you are living in a dream world.
I am reaching the point where its easier to turn you off my forum view because you are incapable of serious discussion.
hlb
RIP
You've lost me there. But carry on!!
BrendanS
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ermm. well, ym candidates seem to manage it, while you get into a cold sweat even thinking about it
theforeman
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at least it would get him away from here.
hlb, i think has hit the nail on the head ( so to speak ).
seems to take a 5lb hammer and an impact driver to get anything into his head.
hlb, i think has hit the nail on the head ( so to speak ).
seems to take a 5lb hammer and an impact driver to get anything into his head.
Gludy
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Brendan
"because you can't see the obvious?
Why not try it, and see how you get on, then come back and tell us it's crap? "
How do you know what I have done?
What have I stated is crap?
How can you just make insulting assumption after assumption. You have such incredible conceit.
All I am talking about is the time of reaction and ability to stop the boat within a certain stopping/avoiding distance ..... all you do is hurl personal insults because you are incapable of actaully discussing facts.
There is no difference when driving a car on the road in fog and indded you should drive in accordance, as such as is practical with the rules. When I calculate athe few seconds time to reaxct you just totally ignore it. You do not have a clue about what experiences I have had - you just happily assume away in your typical gung fu style.
In a normal world an instructor maybe should have actually answered my point on the thread it was a specific point giving the figures and required a specifc answer. It was an honest question that has not received an honest answer ... only you the lap dog have been left to snap at my heels.
"because you can't see the obvious?
Why not try it, and see how you get on, then come back and tell us it's crap? "
How do you know what I have done?
What have I stated is crap?
How can you just make insulting assumption after assumption. You have such incredible conceit.
All I am talking about is the time of reaction and ability to stop the boat within a certain stopping/avoiding distance ..... all you do is hurl personal insults because you are incapable of actaully discussing facts.
There is no difference when driving a car on the road in fog and indded you should drive in accordance, as such as is practical with the rules. When I calculate athe few seconds time to reaxct you just totally ignore it. You do not have a clue about what experiences I have had - you just happily assume away in your typical gung fu style.
In a normal world an instructor maybe should have actually answered my point on the thread it was a specific point giving the figures and required a specifc answer. It was an honest question that has not received an honest answer ... only you the lap dog have been left to snap at my heels.
Gludy
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Yes- just my YM practical to do and I will enjoy doing it.
Gludy
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"ermm. well, ym candidates seem to manage it, while you get into a cold sweat even thinking about it "
Manage what? Someone knows where they are all the time, it is a theoretical excercise - or do you not know that?
I am talking about the best tactic in the real world situation with no instruments other than log, depth, compass and a wtach - no radar.
I am taking about what would be the best tactic in that case when there is 10m visibility. Your ranting on has ,as always, made sure a proper discussion cannot continue.
Manage what? Someone knows where they are all the time, it is a theoretical excercise - or do you not know that?
I am talking about the best tactic in the real world situation with no instruments other than log, depth, compass and a wtach - no radar.
I am taking about what would be the best tactic in that case when there is 10m visibility. Your ranting on has ,as always, made sure a proper discussion cannot continue.
Gludy
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Then have a go foreman...... what exact message are you trying to convey to me?
BrendanS
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I'll leave it to one of the annointed instructors to avail themselves of you, and point out what a YM exam is about......hopefully within a few microseconds before you self destruct through anger
Love kisses and hugs
B xxxxxx
Love kisses and hugs
B xxxxxx
Gludy
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I do not know why you leave that to them.
Powerskipper early on gave a great list of topics that explained it very well.
All I have asked about that has not been answered is the practical nature of buoy hopping in 10m vis ........ its as simple as that.
Brendan ..... please, no kisses and hugs, I will buy you endless pints if we ever meet but drop the kisses and hugs...... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
Powerskipper early on gave a great list of topics that explained it very well.
All I have asked about that has not been answered is the practical nature of buoy hopping in 10m vis ........ its as simple as that.
Brendan ..... please, no kisses and hugs, I will buy you endless pints if we ever meet but drop the kisses and hugs...... /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
ShipsWoofy
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at least it would get him away from here.
hlb, i think has hit the nail on the head ( so to speak ).
seems to take a 5lb hammer and an impact driver to get anything into his head.
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Yes. Did he forget that you are not allowed to use the forum, unless, you know everything there is to know about everything. I am sorry to say it, but I think Paul's question is valid, but if his boat was 30ft long from his helm going anywhere with 10M visibility would be foolhardy, never mind trying to navigate in channels.
But then, they let you use RADAR, as RADAR is far more reliable apparently on a Mobo.
at least it would get him away from here.
hlb, i think has hit the nail on the head ( so to speak ).
seems to take a 5lb hammer and an impact driver to get anything into his head.
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Yes. Did he forget that you are not allowed to use the forum, unless, you know everything there is to know about everything. I am sorry to say it, but I think Paul's question is valid, but if his boat was 30ft long from his helm going anywhere with 10M visibility would be foolhardy, never mind trying to navigate in channels.
But then, they let you use RADAR, as RADAR is far more reliable apparently on a Mobo.
BrendanS
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if you ever get caught out in zero viz, and actually have to buoy hop, then you won't be asking these questions. I've followed a ferry home, and quite happy to admit it.
Hugs and kisses anyway, and you can buy me a beer first time we meet
xxxx
Hugs and kisses anyway, and you can buy me a beer first time we meet
xxxx
theforeman
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his biggest problem is he asks for advice and then doesn`t take it. if he did he would soon know as much as anyone else on the forum. simple.
Gludy
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Brendan
I have been underway for hours, at night with a heavy fog and with visibility down toi a few feet - I could not see the bow or anyone standing at the bow. There was a warship passing in front and a buoy drifting around loose ....... so I do have some experience.
"Hugs and kisses anyway, and you can buy me a beer first time we meet"
Brendan .... I never saod what I was going to do with the ber i bought you!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
I have been underway for hours, at night with a heavy fog and with visibility down toi a few feet - I could not see the bow or anyone standing at the bow. There was a warship passing in front and a buoy drifting around loose ....... so I do have some experience.
"Hugs and kisses anyway, and you can buy me a beer first time we meet"
Brendan .... I never saod what I was going to do with the ber i bought you!!! /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Gludy
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If I had just log, depth, compass, a watch and RADAR, then I am OK.
Radar allows me to get an accurate fix by using its accurate range capability. Its also tell you if there are things to bump into.
With radar I would be happy tp buoy hop and establish my position at each buoy.
Without radar, even with lookouts, although in dense fog they are more Hear Outs, than Look Outs, it can get very spooky.,,,, and I do not like it.
The first time I came into the harbour in fog I could not even see the harbour walls either side of me nor the lock ahead of me. My crew said it was the best trip they had ever had because they all played a big part in doing their job to get us home safely.
I simply asked a valid question way back on this thread - which exposed how little time there was to react and miss a buoy in 10 m visibility and therefore asked if buoy hopping as such should be dropped when there was no radar. i can fully understand and even support the excercise of finding your way to a point by DR and contours etc, my point was about the real world situation and not one drop of an answer dealing with the points I made, has come my way in response. that is sad, very sad.
Radar allows me to get an accurate fix by using its accurate range capability. Its also tell you if there are things to bump into.
With radar I would be happy tp buoy hop and establish my position at each buoy.
Without radar, even with lookouts, although in dense fog they are more Hear Outs, than Look Outs, it can get very spooky.,,,, and I do not like it.
The first time I came into the harbour in fog I could not even see the harbour walls either side of me nor the lock ahead of me. My crew said it was the best trip they had ever had because they all played a big part in doing their job to get us home safely.
I simply asked a valid question way back on this thread - which exposed how little time there was to react and miss a buoy in 10 m visibility and therefore asked if buoy hopping as such should be dropped when there was no radar. i can fully understand and even support the excercise of finding your way to a point by DR and contours etc, my point was about the real world situation and not one drop of an answer dealing with the points I made, has come my way in response. that is sad, very sad.
BrendanS
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Oh god. Wet t shirts competition. Better you did this with PaulineB or Powerskipper /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Gludy
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There you go again - you assume things ...... there is more you can do with a lots of pints of beer than pour it over someone, although I have no objection if you want to use it for wet T shirt competition first then hand it back for re-use!! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
BrendanS
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I've never seen a wet t-shirt competition where the wearer gets it back dry. Hand it back to me, and I'll make sure the young lady gets her T-shirt back
Renegade_Master
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You are in the fog, but know your position from the GPS. So you do one of two things, You plot a number of waypoint including buoys or breakwaters, as I mentioned, proceed at a slow pace with all eyes available and al infomation being fed back to the navigator.
Plotting the course to carted objects helps as when you get to it you knw your position at that point.
I would rather plot a course near to a buoy, than plot no course suck it and see and run into it anyway.
I will grant you that 10m is pretty dense fog, so lets make it 30m. It really is not that important, it is an excercise to see how you cope in such a situation.
Plotting the course to carted objects helps as when you get to it you knw your position at that point.
I would rather plot a course near to a buoy, than plot no course suck it and see and run into it anyway.
I will grant you that 10m is pretty dense fog, so lets make it 30m. It really is not that important, it is an excercise to see how you cope in such a situation.
