Gludy
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Was that it?
Was there no more to it than that?
Was there no more to it than that?
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tcm
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hlb had a bad time with exams a while ago, shorebased in classroom with raggies etc.
I thought YM very useful. We were examined only over a "long day". A decent examiner should be able to sort out if things work or don't early on. Not in the least exhuastive for a skipper but a good start imho.
AFAIK, ICC/dayskip guide asks whether the exmainer would be happy with theirr kids on board from Cowes to hamble.
I belive YM tests the same x-channel. so that might be at night, gear use/failure, movement of boat with one engine and so forth. Also attitude to safety gear in which i wd reckon you get a clear pass. BUT you remain a bit of a misery from time to time and no mention of jollity and/or chocolate biscuits which is surely a key requirement on board, hm? Good luck anyway
I thought YM very useful. We were examined only over a "long day". A decent examiner should be able to sort out if things work or don't early on. Not in the least exhuastive for a skipper but a good start imho.
AFAIK, ICC/dayskip guide asks whether the exmainer would be happy with theirr kids on board from Cowes to hamble.
I belive YM tests the same x-channel. so that might be at night, gear use/failure, movement of boat with one engine and so forth. Also attitude to safety gear in which i wd reckon you get a clear pass. BUT you remain a bit of a misery from time to time and no mention of jollity and/or chocolate biscuits which is surely a key requirement on board, hm? Good luck anyway
Gludy
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Ok so its over a long day and the examiner gets a feel for it fairly quickly I would think. I always thought there was kre to it than that though.
I have logged my hours .... so may well give it a go later this summer/
I have logged my hours .... so may well give it a go later this summer/
Hurricane
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Paul
Have you done a theory course?
I'm doing one at the moment for a YM later this year.
It's really interesting.
Although I cant understand why you cant just push a button to get the tide at a secondary port!!!
Have you done a theory course?
I'm doing one at the moment for a YM later this year.
It's really interesting.
Although I cant understand why you cant just push a button to get the tide at a secondary port!!!
hlb
RIP
Dummy. Diredt reconing includes tide and wind. Only trying to explain how far you could be out on a bigger trip,
Gludy
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Yes I have done the YM course and passed OK.
That is why I am interested in just what, in practice, is involved in the YM pracitcal course.
That is why I am interested in just what, in practice, is involved in the YM pracitcal course.
Gludy
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Not really HLB dead reckoning is just direction, speed and time. Adding the tidal vectors etc is more than DR.
tcm
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\"done the course\"
careful. The practical is the *sole* YM exam. The theory "exam" is worthless, just some bullsh!it to make peeople feel great. You can go for practical with no shorebased, and many do. In the practical they can and will ask any and all q's re theory - no reduced questioning for having a shorebased ym theory ticket
careful. The practical is the *sole* YM exam. The theory "exam" is worthless, just some bullsh!it to make peeople feel great. You can go for practical with no shorebased, and many do. In the practical they can and will ask any and all q's re theory - no reduced questioning for having a shorebased ym theory ticket
fireball
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yup - its called EP ... marked with a sodding great triangle on your paper chart ... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Gludy
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Correct 10/10 and a gold star...... or CTS done the other way around!!!
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Gludy
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Re: \"done the course\"
I am not arguing with that - in the end all that matters is you know you stuff well enough to actually do it, so that is how it should be!!!
I am not arguing with that - in the end all that matters is you know you stuff well enough to actually do it, so that is how it should be!!!
pjs100
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Keep to the right and don't hit anything.
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billy2s
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I did say I was only crewing...
The candidates went through a pretty fair examination of practical and theory skills - two did chartwork problems below while the other was skippering, or doing practical examination of some kind which included going right through all electrical and mechanical systems of the boat.
Dont be fooled into thinking its a piece of cake - you would be wasting your money applying if you dont put in some pretty thorough preparation IMHO
The candidates went through a pretty fair examination of practical and theory skills - two did chartwork problems below while the other was skippering, or doing practical examination of some kind which included going right through all electrical and mechanical systems of the boat.
Dont be fooled into thinking its a piece of cake - you would be wasting your money applying if you dont put in some pretty thorough preparation IMHO
hobiecat
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try and pass perhaps??
fireball
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y thankyou kind sir ! /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif
fireball
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I'd heard that the YM practical does involve quite detailed practical chartwork excersises where the examinee at the chart table gets no more than compass heading, depth & speed and is asked for CTS for various fixed locations in a row and is expected to reasonable acurately plot an EP for any given point in time. I don't know if they are expected to make the coffee at the same time! /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
I'm gonna wait to do a YM prac till next yr or later ...
I'm gonna wait to do a YM prac till next yr or later ...
Gludy
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Powerskipper is silent on all this - can you please give us a better idea on what is involved?... that is when you are back from sea after your all night session.
tcm
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wel, pskipper is obv more expert than me but also obv er on the boat, so meanwhile...
imho, YM practical shd be noticeably different for mobo and sail. The mobo shdnt be the same course but just all done a bit faster for example. We only went about 40 miles total.
Although you should be able to do it of course, effects of wind and tide are far less at higher speeed for example, so plotting routes x channel at 25 knots raises slighter issues, and any corrections again can be made four times faster.
The tougher stuff on mobos (and tougher than in a sailing boat) is the close quarter handling, single engine and so on, with a bit of wind. So a decent YM test should more on this for mobos.
HOWEVER afaik there is no "set" exam. So althoug a YM exam with a given examiner will likely follow the same (ish) content give or take, i hear stories of utterly, utterly different exams. On ours, the guy bashed in with some hard stuff early on, and if you can calculate secondary port in a minute - why do six? A decent examiner should know what he's got pretty early.
I don't think there's a fat lot to be learned/examined by long drones up and down a coast, altho some exmainers apparently do this, i hear, with lots less in/around a marina, which i reckon a bit nonsensical for a mobo.
Oh, one intereresting point he tested - he gave us a lat/long on scrap of paper and said there's a boat in difficulty there so we have to get there asap. We put coords on the gps chartplotter and pressed goto, and a minute or so later he asked how long to get there and how far. He said he wanted to be sure we weren't the sort that would always ponce about with chart and rulers for twenty minutes, ie use appropriate methods. So there is distinct hope for hlb, really, i reckon.
Slightly awkward thing is that you are the skipper but heh, no you aren't always. There's the exminer, and often the instructor who was with you all week during the prep, and they aren't exactly normal crew. I believe that in some instances there might be a further examiner who is checking the blimmin examiner too. So it may need a bit of biting lip from time to time.
imho, YM practical shd be noticeably different for mobo and sail. The mobo shdnt be the same course but just all done a bit faster for example. We only went about 40 miles total.
Although you should be able to do it of course, effects of wind and tide are far less at higher speeed for example, so plotting routes x channel at 25 knots raises slighter issues, and any corrections again can be made four times faster.
The tougher stuff on mobos (and tougher than in a sailing boat) is the close quarter handling, single engine and so on, with a bit of wind. So a decent YM test should more on this for mobos.
HOWEVER afaik there is no "set" exam. So althoug a YM exam with a given examiner will likely follow the same (ish) content give or take, i hear stories of utterly, utterly different exams. On ours, the guy bashed in with some hard stuff early on, and if you can calculate secondary port in a minute - why do six? A decent examiner should know what he's got pretty early.
I don't think there's a fat lot to be learned/examined by long drones up and down a coast, altho some exmainers apparently do this, i hear, with lots less in/around a marina, which i reckon a bit nonsensical for a mobo.
Oh, one intereresting point he tested - he gave us a lat/long on scrap of paper and said there's a boat in difficulty there so we have to get there asap. We put coords on the gps chartplotter and pressed goto, and a minute or so later he asked how long to get there and how far. He said he wanted to be sure we weren't the sort that would always ponce about with chart and rulers for twenty minutes, ie use appropriate methods. So there is distinct hope for hlb, really, i reckon.
Slightly awkward thing is that you are the skipper but heh, no you aren't always. There's the exminer, and often the instructor who was with you all week during the prep, and they aren't exactly normal crew. I believe that in some instances there might be a further examiner who is checking the blimmin examiner too. So it may need a bit of biting lip from time to time.
hlb
RIP
Ar So. If you really want to get there. You use plotter and GPS.
If it's not important where you end up. OK to use charts! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
My Ex came up with the best answer, when asked what are the dangers to look out for between thes two harbours. She wrote. Keep off the brown bits and on the blue, and you should be OK!!!
If it's not important where you end up. OK to use charts! /forums/images/graemlins/confused.gif
My Ex came up with the best answer, when asked what are the dangers to look out for between thes two harbours. She wrote. Keep off the brown bits and on the blue, and you should be OK!!!
Gludy
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veeerrrryyy interesting ....... seems as there is hope for common sense.
