Yacht Crash - What Happened ?

[Snowgoose-1]

To kick things off, It looks like the mainsail kicking strap may have parted on the overtaking yacht.
Any ideas ?

 

[Baddox]

Just another day driving with an Audi badge.
They both looked to be rolling a lot then it's unclear if a gust laid both boats well over when one was rolling to port the other starboard. Once far enough over to lose rudder grip the two boats then two crossed with Audi looping through Bavarias rigging.

 

[Stemar]

All that space but, no, they have to be that close to each other when they're both on the limit.

Reason No 347 why I don't do spinnakers

 

[Snowgoose-1]

Looks expensive.
Can racers still obtain insurance ?

 

[Ingwe]

I think that's a clip from the world match racing tour from possibly over 20 years ago. If you look they are in the process of hoisting jibs to drop their kites so are comming into the mark. The windward boat initially looses control because the spinnaker rolls too far when the spinnaker pole is removed and they roll into a chinese gybe, the leeward boat likewise looks to loose control as soon as the spinnaker pole is detached but when their rudder looses grip they happen to roll into a broach instead. Neither probably woud have happened if they had had their twinning lines on harder to flatten the spinnakers out before they released the poles or had left the poles on until after dropping the kites, they were both just trying to save 10 seconds and it really didn't work.

 

[oldbloke]

Do you not think that Bavaria was just try to miss Audi, and nearly succeeded

 

[Ingwe]

Do you not think that Bavaria was just try to miss Audi, and nearly succeeded

Hard to be sure, but I don't think so as helm doesn't move the tiller anything like as much as you would if you were trying to avoid a collision.

 

[oldbloke]

He spun out pretty quickly with fortuitous timing if it was accidental, couldn't have turned any quicker

 

[flaming]

That is an old match racing tour clip.

As such, the whole point of match racing is to engage with the other boat. So the “why did they have to be so close” point is, er, “misguided”.
What you’re watching in that clip is two extremely competent crews have very unfortunate simultaneous but opposite wipeouts.

If you have some spare time to kill I highly recommend sticking “world watch racing tour” into a YouTube search.

 

[[194497]]

Presumably they're close together because they're both heading for a course mark and want to round it as close as possible?
The moment when the pole is flailing around overhead must have been pretty scary.

 

[jlavery]

That is an old match racing tour clip.

As such, the whole point of match racing is to engage with the other boat. So the “why did they have to be so close” point is, er, “misguided”.
What you’re watching in that clip is two extremely competent crews have very unfortunate simultaneous but opposite wipeouts.

If you have some spare time to kill I highly recommend sticking “world watch racing tour” into a YouTube search.

And being match racing, they're close because there's an incentive to force a penalty on the opposition. Which you can only do if you're close.

 

[awol]

So the Audi changed direction without looking behind or signalling and the keel fell off the Bavaria! Old news!

 

[Bouba]

I think that's a clip from the world match racing tour from possibly over 20 years ago. If you look they are in the process of hoisting jibs to drop their kites so are comming into the mark. The windward boat initially looses control because the spinnaker rolls too far when the spinnaker pole is removed and they roll into a chinese gybe, the leeward boat likewise looks to loose control as soon as the spinnaker pole is detached but when their rudder looses grip they happen to roll into a broach instead. Neither probably woud have happened if they had had their twinning lines on harder to flatten the spinnakers out before they released the poles or had left the poles on until after dropping the kites, they were both just trying to save 10 seconds and it really didn't work.

Is there a plain English translation for this

 

[[194497]]

Is there a plain English translation for this

"The two boats were approaching a part of the course where they would need to turn to windward, and they had hoisted their jibs in preparation. Both crews began to detach their spinnakers from their spinnaker poles, to make it quicker to drop the spinnakers. This allowed both spinnakers to lift higher up, changing the balance of the rigs, and the two boats both went into uncontrollable turns and collided. The accident could possibly have been avoided if the crews had left the spinnakers attached to their poles while lowering them, but this would have cost a little bit of time in a tight race."

It looks to me as though the Audi boat didn't actually release the spinnaker pole, they just released the downhaul, which allowed the sail to lift. Bavaria maybe also releases the spinnaker guy, so that the sail swings round more to leeward, possibly with the aim of dropping it somewhat in the lee of the mainsail, so make it easier to get it down.
Anyway, the essence of it is that they were changing along just about under control, and they both lost control once their spinnakers got a bit loose and started flopping about.

 

[Bouba]

"The two boats were approaching a part of the course where they would need to turn to windward, and they had hoisted their jibs in preparation. Both crews began to detach their spinnakers from their spinnaker poles, to make it quicker to drop the spinnakers. This allowed both spinnakers to lift higher up, changing the balance of the rigs, and the two boats both went into uncontrollable turns and collided. The accident could possibly have been avoided if the crews had left the spinnakers attached to their poles while lowering them, but this would have cost a little bit of time in a tight race."

It looks to me as though the Audi boat didn't actually release the spinnaker pole, they just released the downhaul, which allowed the sail to lift. Bavaria maybe also releases the spinnaker guy, so that the sail swings round more to leeward, possibly with the aim of dropping it somewhat in the lee of the mainsail, so make it easier to get it down.
Anyway, the essence of it is that they were changing along just about under control, and they both lost control once their spinnakers got a bit loose and started flopping about.

Thank you

 

[Biggles Wader]

Is there a plain English translation for this

Whoops----Wallop.

 

[Snowgoose-1]

That is an old match racing tour clip.

As such, the whole point of match racing is to engage with the other boat. So the “why did they have to be so close” point is, er, “misguided”.

You mean like a demolition derby ? .
I enjoy watching sailing boat racing as there is always something to learn from a cruising viewpoint.. As long as they are enjoying the challenge and excitement . Most problems seem to be spinnaker based in racing .

As mentioned earlier, cruisers don't really 'do' spinnakers but many are happy flying Cruising Chutes in lighter winds. Definitely enhances sailing for me in the right conditions and the snuffer is a great invention.