Pinnacle
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Headsail position is irrelevant.
Starboard boat is stand on vessel.
Starboard boat is stand on vessel.
WIndward Boat Keeps Clear?
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johnalison
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I agree with the assertion that the tide makes no difference; it just changes the frame of reference. However, regardless of the collision rules there are certain courtesies between sailing craft that it makes sense to follow. Firstly, a boat sailing free should try to avoid inconveniencing a boat tacking. Secondly, a stand-on boat should avoid causing a boat broad-reaching or running having to gybe. Not having been there, it is not possible to say which of these applies in your case. I do hope you survive your viral infestation in time to go sailing again.
knuterikt
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starboard/port tack situation, boat 2 should keep out of the way
Rule 12 (a) (i)
no
rule 12 (b)
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Kukri
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I can understand, and agree with, this post.
knuterikt
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where do I find these courtesy rules you have invented?
Kukri
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Not in Norway, it seems. The first of them is just a gloss on the Rules and the second is good seamanship.
RupertW
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Not invented - very common in the cruising world. Based on the principle of boat with least bother avoids a collision situation developing with an exaggerated move to show what they are doing. If that doesn’t happen then the collision situation has happened and proper rules apply. Just a bit rude if the aim is low effort sailing with no competitive element.
Kukri
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Exactly.
capnsensible
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Yup, boom decides no boom boom.
capnsensible
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I had to read that 3 times before I understood... I'm definitely not well
Increase the dosage.....
TLouth7
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Tide affects the two ground tracks differently, for example the track of a boat running downriver won't be affected, while that of a boat close-hauled across the river might change by 45 degrees (putting their tracks at right angles).
Kukri
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Yes, but the ground tracks are irrelevant.
Neil_Y
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I'm scared, gave way to a motor sailer (main only on Stbd me on port) last night involving a tight reach to get around his stern....only to find out he was motoring!
knuterikt
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ok, so rule 17 (a) (i), is to be disregarded when I’m sailing down wind and meet a British yacht.
I learnt that changing the playbook alone could create confusion.
Can you give me a link to this rule on RYA web page.
Or start a campaign to alter the international rules....
Biggles Wader
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Described as courtesy rather than rule if you read the relevant post so no need to change the colregs or consult the RYA. No one is suggesting anything other than complying with those colregs when required.
TLouth7
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They are irrelevant to the situation as it unfolded but relevant to our understanding of it given that OP said:
RichardS
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Headsail position is indeed irrelevant .... unless both boats are sailing on headsail alone. So far so good, but as discussed in a thread a couple of years ago, if one of the boats has its headsail poled out to windward, then ColRegs is bereft of ideas other than "don't hit each other".
Richard
Kukri
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“Rule 12
Sailing vessels
(a). When two sailing vessels are approaching one another, so as to involve risk of collision, one of them shall keep out of the way of the other as follows:
(i). when each has the wind on a different side, the vessel which has the wind on the port side shall keep out of the way of the other;
(ii). when both have the wind on the same side, the vessel which is to windward shall keep out of the way of the vessel which is to leeward;
(iii). if a vessel with the wind on the port side sees a vessel to windward and cannot determine with certainty whether the other vessel has the wind on the port or on the starboard side, she shall keep out of the way of the other.
(b). For the purpose of this Rule the windward side shall be deemed to be the side opposite to that on which the mainsail is carried or, in the case of a square-rigged vessel, the side opposite to that on which the largest fore-and-aft sail is carried.”
If the windward yacht, having in mind the burden that (a)(iii) places on the leeward vessel, takes early and substantial action to avoid collision, no risk of collision arises, and Rule 17 does not come into effect.
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capnsensible
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Headsail position is indeed irrelevant .... unless both boats are sailing on headsail alone. So far so good, but as discussed in a thread a couple of years ago, if one of the boats has its headsail poled out to windward, then ColRegs is bereft of ideas other than "don't hit each other".
Richard
Yum yum Richard, looking forward to this one!
Kukri
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Headsail position is indeed irrelevant .... unless both boats are sailing on headsail alone. So far so good, but as discussed in a thread a couple of years ago, if one of the boats has its headsail poled out to windward, then ColRegs is bereft of ideas other than "don't hit each other".
Richard
My head hurts. Above my pay grade.
