Jim44
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Did you see my boat going past your B&B last night, you keep saying how you see them?
Windermere Anti speed limit bunch
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Jim44
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I know the owner of the boat and the reasons he has her on the lake, personally I think you are wrong to judge what type or size of boat people should and shouldn't use in an area.
I have had a 44' boat on the lakes and been very please with it, he enjoys his 54' and leave him to it.
I have had a 44' boat on the lakes and been very please with it, he enjoys his 54' and leave him to it.
itsonlymoney
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Here, here.......
Jim44
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Boat registrations have stayed the same this year because people still wanted to use the lake from the Jan to Mar and the first weekend of the season which was Easter.
In my view since Easter there has been a big change in the lake with hardly any boats out and hence less people spending in the area.
This will not be reflected until next year when the true figures of people wanting to use the lake in its current state will be known.
For the record I have moved my boat off Windermere, not wholly related to the ban, but plan to put another boat on the lakes as soon as I have sold my current one.
In my view since Easter there has been a big change in the lake with hardly any boats out and hence less people spending in the area.
This will not be reflected until next year when the true figures of people wanting to use the lake in its current state will be known.
For the record I have moved my boat off Windermere, not wholly related to the ban, but plan to put another boat on the lakes as soon as I have sold my current one.
Callisto
New member
Actually, I have a lot of sympathy for those on Windermere and also for the businesses affected by this speed limit.
I have never used a boat on the lake, but I can also agree with other forumites who suggested that alternatives could have been investigated further. This is further regulation of boating and I can only see it increasing, particularly if now the limit is in place, people flout it intentionally. There has to be a route of appeal and doing it through the correct channels is the only way IMHO.
Personally my boating is coastal and we don't know how lucky we are sometimes to be for the most part free to do as we please apart from the obvious limits in harbours etc.
In short, fight the limit but do it the right way. There are a lot of us on the coast who are behind you and see your frustration.
Good luck
JH
I have never used a boat on the lake, but I can also agree with other forumites who suggested that alternatives could have been investigated further. This is further regulation of boating and I can only see it increasing, particularly if now the limit is in place, people flout it intentionally. There has to be a route of appeal and doing it through the correct channels is the only way IMHO.
Personally my boating is coastal and we don't know how lucky we are sometimes to be for the most part free to do as we please apart from the obvious limits in harbours etc.
In short, fight the limit but do it the right way. There are a lot of us on the coast who are behind you and see your frustration.
Good luck
JH
Lakesailor
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Hello Jim,
Sorry didn't see you last night. I was helping a neighbour put up a greenhouse.
If you went past, how did you manage it if you've taken your boat away? Was it slipped today?
Ah, just looked at your profile. I see what you mean. Yes, did see you steaming past; on the road
My opinions on boat size are related to sailing pleasure, not practicality. I'm sure those who want and need large yachts get the pleasure they want, but for a lot of people on the lake they are a weight around the neck with all the maintenance and systems to upkeep.
A lot of people like to arrive, hoist sail and play about for a few hours. Boat size is not an issue per se as an 18' and a 35' only occupy the same patch of lake, taking into account a safe area around them.
Jack is a bloody big boat. I haven't seen it with it's sails out yet, only under power, but I do understand there are reasons for it on the lake.
The problem boats of that size create is their extra draught. The lake wardens, being a council body, get out and put more red buoys all over as soon as a deeper boat arrives. Not because the rocks are breeding, but the council is paranoid about being sued if someone touches a rock.
Sorry didn't see you last night. I was helping a neighbour put up a greenhouse.
If you went past, how did you manage it if you've taken your boat away? Was it slipped today?
Ah, just looked at your profile. I see what you mean. Yes, did see you steaming past; on the road
My opinions on boat size are related to sailing pleasure, not practicality. I'm sure those who want and need large yachts get the pleasure they want, but for a lot of people on the lake they are a weight around the neck with all the maintenance and systems to upkeep.
A lot of people like to arrive, hoist sail and play about for a few hours. Boat size is not an issue per se as an 18' and a 35' only occupy the same patch of lake, taking into account a safe area around them.
Jack is a bloody big boat. I haven't seen it with it's sails out yet, only under power, but I do understand there are reasons for it on the lake.
The problem boats of that size create is their extra draught. The lake wardens, being a council body, get out and put more red buoys all over as soon as a deeper boat arrives. Not because the rocks are breeding, but the council is paranoid about being sued if someone touches a rock.
jimi
Well-known member
Yes it always amuses me to see the ocean going craft with ocean going gear at Bo'ness, I get bored enough trotting around the South Coast, their boredom threshold must be a lot higher than mine
oldgit
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Hi Callist
ne of the problems apparently,was noise.As the whole point of a outboard driven soap dish or lager powered jetski is to go fast, the resulting howling cacophony that follows the craft around travels for miles.Difficult to see how you can restrict the noise to the immediate area of the boat.Best compared to a bunch of "Yoofs"driving up and down your street on a summers day with those straight thru non silencers which were all the rage once.
Grate /forums/images/graemlins/smile.giffun for the 17 year old rider but annoying for everyone else.
ne of the problems apparently,was noise.As the whole point of a outboard driven soap dish or lager powered jetski is to go fast, the resulting howling cacophony that follows the craft around travels for miles.Difficult to see how you can restrict the noise to the immediate area of the boat.Best compared to a bunch of "Yoofs"driving up and down your street on a summers day with those straight thru non silencers which were all the rage once.Grate /forums/images/graemlins/smile.giffun for the 17 year old rider but annoying for everyone else.
sjw
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The majority of uk boats have to adhere to noise limits new craft especially are covered by eu rules .Testing boats before renewing registration each year would cure any noise problem.Trouble is the LDNP will not listen to reason.
Lakesailor
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Been a regular visitor to Windemere for last 20 years
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Are you really Tom Sellick?
Been a regular visitor to Windemere for last 20 years
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Are you really Tom Sellick?
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Of course I am.
Lakesailor
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Wow!
Althorne
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Just seen you on another post about guns.................ducks, guns, quiet.......MMmmmmmmmm
Althorne
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You fibber it's Tom Senilic by now surely?
Lakesailor
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Just seen you on another post about guns.................ducks, guns, quiet.......MMmmmmmmmm
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Very tasty.
Mind you, cormorants are pants.
Just seen you on another post about guns.................ducks, guns, quiet.......MMmmmmmmmm
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Very tasty.
Mind you, cormorants are pants.
Callisto
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Hi Old Git
Agree that noise could be a problem but with properly silenced boats this can be minimised. I have a big V8 in mine but the exhaust discharges underwater and the noise is well muffled. PWCs are a bit of a problem as they tend to be very noisy and not a lot can be done about it.
I just think that its a shame that as Windermere was one of the few remaining places for inland power boaters, to lose it is a real shame. I always advocate that if I don't like the noise generated by the ski boats and PWCs around falmouth, I just avoid that area and go where its quiet. (eg up the river where there is an 8Kn speed limit) There is enough room for us all out there and perhaps if those who wanted to have a quiet time stuck to one end of the lake and those who wanted to have a blast stuck to the other, it may well have worked. Instead, one group has now totally lost out to the other. I'm not convinced that the wash argument stacks up. Watching the local lakes down here, get a decent wind blowing and there are more waves than any boat kicks up.
There will always be the idiot fraternity (as witnessed from my boat last night when a 2.6m rib shot out of the marina at about 20Kn If anything was entering at the time, there would have been a nasty accident) but again, I believe that zoning and a level of tolerance was exhibited, windermere could still have been enjoyed by all.
Where would we be now if there had been a speed limit on Coniston when Donald Campbell was around!!
Thanks for your reply.
JH
Agree that noise could be a problem but with properly silenced boats this can be minimised. I have a big V8 in mine but the exhaust discharges underwater and the noise is well muffled. PWCs are a bit of a problem as they tend to be very noisy and not a lot can be done about it.
I just think that its a shame that as Windermere was one of the few remaining places for inland power boaters, to lose it is a real shame. I always advocate that if I don't like the noise generated by the ski boats and PWCs around falmouth, I just avoid that area and go where its quiet. (eg up the river where there is an 8Kn speed limit) There is enough room for us all out there and perhaps if those who wanted to have a quiet time stuck to one end of the lake and those who wanted to have a blast stuck to the other, it may well have worked. Instead, one group has now totally lost out to the other. I'm not convinced that the wash argument stacks up. Watching the local lakes down here, get a decent wind blowing and there are more waves than any boat kicks up.
There will always be the idiot fraternity (as witnessed from my boat last night when a 2.6m rib shot out of the marina at about 20Kn If anything was entering at the time, there would have been a nasty accident) but again, I believe that zoning and a level of tolerance was exhibited, windermere could still have been enjoyed by all.
Where would we be now if there had been a speed limit on Coniston when Donald Campbell was around!!
Thanks for your reply.
JH
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Callisto, I agree. It is a shame.
I'm still trying to find someone that has visited Windermere often and experienced this noise issue. General concensus seem to be "what noise issue?".
I'm still trying to find someone that has visited Windermere often and experienced this noise issue. General concensus seem to be "what noise issue?".
moondarra
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I propose a ban on any boats over 22feet in length.
Ken
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I would like to propose a ban on any boats over the length of mine. This would have the following advantages:
1. I would not have to walk past all the beautiful 37 ft Sealines, wishing I owned one, to get to my 24 ft Bayliner
2. I would save money as opposed to finally giving in and buying a 37 ft with money I haven't got
3. I would be happy curled up in my tiny bunk, knowing that at least everybody else is as uncomfortable as me
4. There would be more space in the marina which would be handy as I am new to boats and need a lot of room to manouevre
I would also like to ban all boats newer than mine, cleaner than mine, and ban all cars nicer than mine.
Only kidding, really
I propose a ban on any boats over 22feet in length.
Ken
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I would like to propose a ban on any boats over the length of mine. This would have the following advantages:
1. I would not have to walk past all the beautiful 37 ft Sealines, wishing I owned one, to get to my 24 ft Bayliner
2. I would save money as opposed to finally giving in and buying a 37 ft with money I haven't got
3. I would be happy curled up in my tiny bunk, knowing that at least everybody else is as uncomfortable as me
4. There would be more space in the marina which would be handy as I am new to boats and need a lot of room to manouevre
I would also like to ban all boats newer than mine, cleaner than mine, and ban all cars nicer than mine.
Only kidding, really
Lakesailor
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Callisto, I agree. It is a shame.
I'm still trying to find someone that has visited Windermere often and experienced this noise issue. General concensus seem to be "what noise issue?".
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But the main thrust of the LDNPA's argument was not noise. It was the incompatability of different lake users' requirements.
They created, under the Countryside Act 1968, and propose to enforce the byelaws to "minimize potential conflict between activities and users..."
Their solution was the 10mph limit. Others felt that zoning or training or skills licensing would achieve the same ends.
In their Vision for Windermere, the Lake, 2005 in the Windermere Management Strategy it is true that
A1 - Vision: the first bullet point is "a beautiful and peaceful lake" but that was not the main thrust of their argument.
For noise we still have model boat and plane enthusiasts (bafflingly not affected by the ban) and the large ferries with their Jazz Cruises and disco and wedding party nights.
It is still a shame that traditional activities have had to stop, perhaps as a result of the PWC antics, but I am willing to bet there will be no turning back now.
On Sunday a water-skier was running up and down the North Basin at full skiing speed waving and shouting at all boats. They had some girls wearing No-Ban T shirts in the boat.
I can't see that these tactics will help any future negotatiations to relax the speed limit for events or special reasons.
Apparently the wardens had two boats in the area and were monitoring the situation. It would have been more entertaining if the girls had got their "tits out for the lads".
Callisto, I agree. It is a shame.
I'm still trying to find someone that has visited Windermere often and experienced this noise issue. General concensus seem to be "what noise issue?".
[/ QUOTE ]
But the main thrust of the LDNPA's argument was not noise. It was the incompatability of different lake users' requirements.
They created, under the Countryside Act 1968, and propose to enforce the byelaws to "minimize potential conflict between activities and users..."
Their solution was the 10mph limit. Others felt that zoning or training or skills licensing would achieve the same ends.
In their Vision for Windermere, the Lake, 2005 in the Windermere Management Strategy it is true that
A1 - Vision: the first bullet point is "a beautiful and peaceful lake" but that was not the main thrust of their argument.
For noise we still have model boat and plane enthusiasts (bafflingly not affected by the ban) and the large ferries with their Jazz Cruises and disco and wedding party nights.
It is still a shame that traditional activities have had to stop, perhaps as a result of the PWC antics, but I am willing to bet there will be no turning back now.
On Sunday a water-skier was running up and down the North Basin at full skiing speed waving and shouting at all boats. They had some girls wearing No-Ban T shirts in the boat.
I can't see that these tactics will help any future negotatiations to relax the speed limit for events or special reasons.
Apparently the wardens had two boats in the area and were monitoring the situation. It would have been more entertaining if the girls had got their "tits out for the lads".
Callisto
New member
Lakesailor
About your Sunday morning water skier.....
That is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post. The idiots will spoil it and make the arguments of the genuine and dare i say sensible boaters unwinnable as the authorities will have all the ammunition they need to reinforce their position!
If the ski boat in question is a forumite, my apologies for the idiot reference, however, that sort of behaviour will not help the cause.
All I can say is I'm glad to be on the coast.
Cheers
JH
About your Sunday morning water skier.....
That is exactly what I was saying in my earlier post. The idiots will spoil it and make the arguments of the genuine and dare i say sensible boaters unwinnable as the authorities will have all the ammunition they need to reinforce their position!
If the ski boat in question is a forumite, my apologies for the idiot reference, however, that sort of behaviour will not help the cause.
All I can say is I'm glad to be on the coast.
Cheers
JH