Wifi on board

lustyd

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Hi all, I thought it might be useful to expand on something I said on another thread yesterday given the "work from boat" environment many of us now live in. This solution was suggested to me on another group but I could see very little mention of it on this forum despite it being a really great one, hence posting it here. This is a 4G Internet solution based on Teltonika industrial networking kit. It's cheap, it works very well, and it's dead easy to install. Components are:
Teltonica RUT240 ~£120 - This is your Internet router and houses the SIM card
QuWireless QuSpot for RUT240 ~ £80 - this is a weatherproof housing for the router which also includes antennas for wifi and 4G (the router has these but they are replaced by this housing)
Teltonika TSW100 ~£70 - This is just an Ethernet switch, but runs on 12/24V and provides power over Ethernet to the router.

The TSW100 will act as a switch for your RADAR and MFDs, connecting all of them together over Ethernet - you might need to make up your own cable to connect to standard RJ45. This switch runs on 7-58VDC and so will be happy on most boat systems of 12V or 24V despite the variable voltage. A cable is available to wire it directly in to the boat supply. The switch also provides power over Ethernet (PoE) to the router, meaning you only need one cable to run up the mast, an Ethernet cable which you can easily make yourself with off the shelf components, or just buy a long one. This cable can replace the Glomex TV cable and the router can mount where the Glomex used to be. I'm assuming most people don't use their Glomex antenna these days, and will switch to streaming services once the WiFi is in.

The RUT240 can run directly on boat power with the same voltages as the switch - I have mine temporarily installed in the cigar lighter socket on board. Alternatively it will happily use PoE, which is recommended for mast top installations. This (tiny!) unit will live inside of the weatherproof QuSpot on the top of the mast, with a gromet sealing the single Ethernet cable on the entry point. Antennas inside the QuSpot will connect to the router to replace the ones which came with the router. Before mounting you'll also need to install a 4G SIM, I used a completely unlimited £20/month one from Three but any will work. It's fast enough for streaming two things at once so plenty of data is recommended. The interface is accessed via browser either through Wifi or Ethernet, with both working equally well. It's possible to use this unit to rebroadcast shore wifi too, and the higher end versions have two SIM slots so you can more easily roam or have a higher availability solution.

Once installed, your various devices including MFDs can use the WiFi freely. My B&G plotter syncs over this wifi and gets weather data automatically to overlay on the chart. Because the switch can be connected to your MFDs they can also use the wired network if they support that.

One last thing to note - many of the "boat wifi" solutions which will no doubt be referenced on this thread have this exact router inside them. Teltonika supply these to industry who add on a housing like the QuSpot, £500 profit margin, and a "for boats" sticker then sell it to you :) This whole setup is under £300 for reliable WiFi which works many miles off shore (I've been told 20 is reasonable). Hopefully helpful to someone out there!

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One thing to note Euphonyx is the category of the modem. This is not in the same category as your phone so will not have the same raw throughput of 4G. I get 15Mbps pretty consistently out of the theoretical 150Mbps. This is very much slower than my iPhone when in good signal areas. The difference comes when you're further out or in a valley/anchorage and the RUT still gets 15Mbps and the iphone at deck level gets nothing. Teltonika do make Cat 4 and I think Cat 6 devices which would be faster, but I don't think that's necessary on a boat given the extra cost. Aside from that it's all pretty self explanatory. Some people hoist a MyFi device up the mast - these need charging and are not permanently installed so I found the RUT a much better option for not much more money.
 
Apart from connecting Radar and MFD's what is the advantage over a 3/4g MiFi at a fraction of the cost?

Presumably, better 4G connection in marginal signal areas due to better antennas, better radio, and being mounted up the mast.

Since I sail on the central south coast where I pretty much always have solid signal on my phone and iPad directly (unless I’m on my way to France) it’s not of great interest to me, but it might be useful for some in other places.

Pete
 
Quite, Mikrotik do some great little products...

I was thinking Mikrotik as well, we use them quite a lot at work and have no complaints except that setting up more advanced networking configurations can be a fiddle. There are a few other names out there as well. This thread is just one example.

Pete
 
If it can get a signal in Lulworth Cove I'll be most imprest ?

Well, if Dave’s heading that way he should make a note to check. There’s every possibility that it will. At work we have an industrial 4G modem (don’t remember the brand) that comes with two big external antennas and two SIM cards on different networks, and it’ll pull in a signal in remote bits of Scotland when everyone‘s phone is blank.

Pete
 
I may drive down and check as my cigar lighter power cord will work in the car. Having been there walking recently I'd say I'd definitely get a signal once installed at the top of the mast and probably at deck level with the inncluded antennas.

As for this vs MyFi I don't see that there's a real comparison. This would be properly waterproof and permanently installed and running ensuring all boat systems remain connected and allowing me to work on video calls in remote anchorages. I was in the scillies this summer and the MyFi on my friends boat didn't last long enough or provide a good enough signal for work purposes. Taking into account the cost of marine Ethernet switches, this is very probably cheaper overall. A MyFi up the mast is definitely as useful as Navionics on my phone. This is as useful as a plotter at the helm. Both work, but if you want it done properly then do it properly.
Pete is quite right, on the south coast my phone gets a great signal and if anything is quicker and better for short uses. It doesn't half get hot if I tether to it over wifi for an 8 hour day though! When I started looking at this it was with the direct purpose of working on board to extend cruising range, and I think I've achieved that and more. I may have to take three laptops to last a week due to battery but I can certainly manage at anchor now and be confident I won't drop out on Teams calls with video no matter where I end up :)
 
Thanks for the suggestion of Mikrotik, they look very similar, probably with the same OS heritage. I'll do some reading on their site :)
 
It's a work in progress. Only had the boat for 3 months and more keen on sailing her at the mo :D I will write this up though and maybe post a video on the YouTube channel about it. As you can imagine this boat is the opposite of the last one, I now want everything finished and easy, quick and capable, comfortable and spacious so it'll be very different stuff to Live Magic, although I do get a buzz when I see the old boat out sailing with her new owner! But hopefully that explains the fixed installation wifi and comfortable table for working.
 
...This whole setup is under £300 for reliable WiFi which works many miles off shore (I've been told 20 is reasonable). Hopefully helpful to someone out there!
From experience, albeit 3+ years ago now, the UK is pretty crap at providing offshore mobile signals. Something to do with a lack of investment in the mast and not providing the fourth quadrant going out to sea. Other European countries were much better in my experience and 20 miles certainly possible, though 10 more reasonable. I like the switch providing PoE, I still have a ten quid unpowered switch in that role. For the 4G enabled router I'd look for one supported by OpenWRT which will then run ROOter by Of Modems and Men, its designed to support modems and has a wide range of supported devices out of the box, Cat4 to 5G. My setup is based on a router in the cabin providing the boat wifi with other devices connecting to its WAN port which provide the internet connection. Something based on a Mikrotik RBM33G plus modem and enclosure would come in a bit cheaper than the Teltonika, in either case you have the 'problem' of the SIM at the mast head.
 
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From experience, albeit 3+ years ago now, the UK is pretty crap at providing offshore mobile signals. Something to do with a lack of investment in the mast and not providing the fourth quadrant going out to sea.

I’m not sure I’d call it “lack of investment” so much as “effective coverage planning”. The mobile networks don’t intend to provide coverage over the sea, so if a mast doesn’t waste power or hardware sending radio waves offshore where nobody (in Vodafone and EE’s opinion) lives or works, the designer has done their assigned job well.

Pete
 
For the 4G enabled router I'd look for one supported by OpenWRT
Well then today's your lucky day since the Teltonika OS is based on that exact ecosystem ;)

What's your problem with a SIM at the mast head? It's a SIM, it just provides an ID.
 
Thanks for the suggestion of Mikrotik, they look very similar, probably with the same OS heritage. I'll do some reading on their site :)

Definitely fill a similar niche, but as far as I know their OS and hardware is all proprietary to them. We mostly use the routers and managed switches rather than the WiFi and 4G products. It’s all very capable and feature rich, but as I said above, can have an unreasonably steep learning curve at times as the configuration interface reflects the internal function perhaps a little too closely and documentation isn’t the best organised. That said, anything being considered on this thread is going to be pretty mainstream and probably available out of the box or at worst by following a reliable step-by-step guide.

Pete
 
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