Why Med boating is rubbish (long boring rant)

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The boaty magazines are always full of stuff about how utterly wonderful Med boating is. Sunseekers, sea and sangria all the way. Well it’s not and here’s why

You don’t get to use your boat nearly as much as you want. If, like me, you were used to popping down to your boat on the S Coast on a whim, maybe skiving off work early on a summer evening or if Sunday’s weather looked good, then you wont get any of that in the Med. When you first get to the Med, you think you’ll be flying out on a Friday evening and returning on a Sunday evening after an idyllic weekend on the boat. Well it does’nt work like that. First, you soon find it’s bloody knackering to do that and, second, the airline schedules often don’t allow it and, if you leave it late to book, the fares are hugely expensive. The reality is that you will be limited to holidays and the odd long weekend, all pre-planned months in advance to take advantage of cheap fares and, its worse with school-age kids as your trips will then be limited to school holidays and half terms unless you can find an accommodating granny to park them with for the odd weekend. So, keep your boat in the Med and you will have to get used to not seeing it for long periods

The weather is not always as advertised in the brochure. Yes, its true that through May to Sept, you can generally bank on hot sunny weather but not always and, outside this period, the weather can be almost as variable as ours. We’ve seen howling gales in the South of France in October, days of miserable rain in Spain over Easter and even snow in Mallorca in March. The trouble is not that the bad weather happens, just that it is sometimes unavoidable. You’ve booked your long weekend months in advance and then you look at the forecast a couple of days before you go and its crap. What do you do? Cancel the trip and lose your flight tickets or try to rebook at a rip off extra cost? Or what happens if the weather turns foul whilst you’re out there? There is no option to hop in your car and go home early, only to see if you can get an earlier flight, again usually at exhorbitant cost

The travelling is hideous. When I had my boat in the UK, our journey to the boat would take 1 to 2 hrs depending on traffic. If the traffic was bad, at least we would be sitting in a nice comfortable airconditioned car listening to Classic FM to soothe frayed tempers. To get anywhere in the Med takes 5-6 hours door to door and that is without factoring in delays; our last trip back from Palma took 8 ½ hrs. Then you’re going to spend a minimum of 2hrs squashed into a little aluminium tube with the great unwashed with their howling offspring kicking your seat back whilst you try to consume the unspeakable filth that airlines call food. Many a time I’ve sat on aircraft asking myself whether this is all worth it

Its going to cost you much more than you think. Its easy to convince yourself that Med boating is not going to cost you much more than UK boating because the marina costs can be on a par with the UK and you can get flights with Sleazyjet for pennies. The marina charges may look acceptable but that’s before they hit you with port charges, local council charges, electricity and water charges. Yes you can get cheap flights if you book months in advance for the second Wednesday in February but if you want flights around school holidays, half terms and bank holidays and particularly if you leave it until only a few weeks ahead of your trip, it’s going to cost hundreds of pounds for you and your family. Then there’s the cost of looking after your boat. You’ve gone to the Med for a 3 day long weekend. Do you want to spend hours in the baking sun doing those little maintenance jobs left over from last time whilst you could be on the water? In my case not, so you end up paying somebody else to do virtually every maintenance job because the little time you get on your boat is so precious. Then there is the issue of guardiennage. Stern-to berthing is not as secure as pontoon berthing and you can’t just pop down to the boat to double up the lines if a blow is forecast. Who’s going to keep an eye on fenders and lines during the months when you’re not on your boat and who’s going to keep it clean? So you end up paying somebody £300 a month to do that. Then there is the fuel cost. UK red diesel is expensive but, for the moment, not as expensive as white Med diesel. Then you’re going to have to pull your boat out of the water 3 times a year to clean the hull because of the aggressive fouling at several hundred pounds a go.
The boat itself is going to cost more because you need a passarelle, aircon, generator, and bimini to bring it up to ‘Med spec’ and when you sell it, it might fetch less or take ages to sell because it’s in an out of the way location

You can’t go anywhere. Berths in most popular areas are at a premium which means that there are few visitors berths which means that they get full during the summer and you can’t get in without having booked months in advance. So you either risk anchoring overnight or go back to your home berth every night. Even if you can find a visitors berth, its going to cost you between €70 and €200/night for a 15m berth

Dangerous critters are everywhere. There are more mosquitos in the Med than the UK and they just love juicy British flesh so get used to plastering yourself with repellent every evening. The sea is often infested with jellyfish so, even if you think they’re not going to hurt, the thought of swimming is off putting. Then, some of the beaches have colonies of sea urchins so you have to wear shoes for paddling. Maybe Southend beach is’nt so bad after all

There’s no social scene. I can count on the fingers of one hand the number of times in 4 seasons we’ve ever met our neighbours in the boats next door and only once have we ever socialised with another boat. It’s obvious why. They’re using their boats as seldom as you are and the chances of actually meeting each other are miniscule and even if you do, they’re likely to speak some unintelligible foreign language. No longer can you get by with pigeon Franglais or Spanglish; you need Russian and Polish as well and maybe a spot of Hungarian too. Then, if you rent a berth, you’re always on the move anyway so by the time you’re on speaking terms, one or other of you has moved berths or marinas

The marinas and ports are all the same. 50 years ago there was’nt a tourist infrastructure in most of the Med. Then came the tourist explosion and with it pleasure boating, as a result of which dozens of marinas were built. Stick a breakwater out into the sea, builds a few pontoons behind and you’ve got a marina, the result of which is that most marinas look very similar and the surrounding development looks very similar too. There is little or no sense of boating tradition either, no ambience of just messing about in boats

The boating is too easy. As there are little or no tides and most of the coastline is fairly steep-to, boating is very much you hit what you see. Plug a waypoint into the plotter, flick the pilot on and just watch you don’t hit any sticky up bits. Yes the weather can be unexpectedly temperamental but you don’t get the same sense of achievement arriving in a new port as you would, say, first time in Guernsey, St Malo or the Scillies having braved fog, wind and intricate pilotage

I bet you’re thinking that if it’s so rubbish, why don’t we bring the boat back to the UK. Well, in time, we might just do that but for the moment, the balance of our thoughts are just about tilted towards Med boating because we feel we have’nt explored all the cruising areas we would like too yet. The best Med boating days are better than the best UK boating days because of the sun and clear warm water but you pay a price for that in more ways than one
 
Re: Why Med boating is not rubbish (short boring response)

I'm not going to bother to try to refute all your points - you've clearly tried hard to find as many objections as possible based on your own experience.

My experience:
4 years in the Med with a total of over a year spent on the boat. Used it much more than when I had a boat on the Hamble 45 minutes away.

Cruised from SoF to Corsica, Sardinia, Sicily, Malta, Tunisia, Spain, round all Balearic Islands and more. Fantastic!

You must form your own opinions, but, to me, it sounds like you've made the worst of it. I must admit, I have the time to make the most of it. I came back to the UK for a couple of years for personal reasons and can't wait to get back to the Med.

Please come back and leave a marina space for me.
 
Very interesting rant. I have considered moving my boat from the UK on several occasions but always decided not to as trips have to planned rather than spur of the moment. Do you think it would be easier if you were retired ? Finding a berth right now is also a challenge even in Northern France so I can't see us moving unless there is a dramatic change in the demand for marina berths.
We have retired friends who own a place in Cyprus; they never go there in the peak of summer for the reasons you describe. However March thru May and Sept thru Nov they spend their time in Paphos. Maybe its something to do when the family have grown up and working hard is no longer the top priority. SWIMBO retires in 5 weeks and will be looking forward to GB's £84 a week less tax of course !
 
Deleted User, I think much of what you say was left unsaid by Magnum, but his slant was the sheer responsibility of having a large boat which distanced him from the pleasure of just messing around in boats.

According to Magnum's last post he hasn't boated for nearly a year now, so he hasn't bought the small boat he said he would to get back the fun of boating but, he has joined the Good Life!

You have two options, bring the boat back to the UK and use it when weather permits, or buy a smaller boat in the med, and get back to enjoying messing about in boats that does not involve trying to maintain a floating house.

My solution would be to buy a house down there with enough room to store a trailer mounted Cranchi, or such like.
 
Golly Mike, you have had a bad time! Your points about travelling from UK to the Med. are certainly valid but as well as our small mobo here, I keep a raggie cat in Greece afters sailing it to Cyprus from UK. (No, I haven't got a lot of money, the cat. is on the market!). My experience over 15 years is completely different. Many ports are free. Some marinas give cut-price or even free stays out of season. Winter weather can be iffy but I have shared barbecues on Christmas day in shirtsleeves and shorts. Summer Meltemi winds (also Mistral, Sirrocco, etc) can be horrible but you are not usually far from shelter. If it hisses with rain, as it will - there's a pretty good chance it will be bright, sunny blue sky again in a day or two - even in the winter. Better than suffering the endless procession of depressions marching across the Atlantic and leaking on us down here in the Wet Country. Add no tides, often little or no wind until coffee time, cheap food and drink, agreeable and interesting fellow yotties who have travelled a bit in many senses, and I know where I would rather be if I wasn't working here. My only major gripe is getting reliable engineering work done. Many Med. engineers can keep engines going rather like British farmers. A bit of wire and binder twine but not really good enough. one needs to be more self-reliant without Sea Start and a helpful Coastguard service.
This is a bit garbled because I need to get back to work but I had to try and put the other side.

Martin T.
 
Time is the key, nightjar. If you are in full time work, then Med boating is a few snatched weekends and a summer holiday. It's even worse if you have school age kids because your time on the boat is going to be at crowded times when everyone else is there
It's completely different if you are retired or are able to take extended time off work. As you say extended cruising in the Med from April to June and Sept to Nov, avoiding the high season, would be idyllic
I think anyone considering keeping their boat in the Med has to seriously consider how much time they will get to spend on it and, just as importantly, if the time is going to be limited, whether that is an issue. After all, there are plenty of Med boat owners for whom the boat is just another toy rather than a consuming pastime and therefore lack of use is not an issue
 
Reckon I will stay on Windermere then,
1hr away
great scenery
safe clean water for swimming
relatively affordable berthing
fantastic restaurants
brilliant walks
everything you could possibly want really. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
we have some of the same issues with hlb's boat being 5 hours or so away, there's a direct train every day to plymouth, but with the dog and all the luggage we seem to have to take, coats, jumpers, & bedding etc., thats not really an option. (yes we do leave stuff there)

we get tied in round work commitments, tho I am the only one who works, supposedly 1 to 2 days a week. but with all my dam trips to london, that plays hell with boating, as the trains are so bad apart from plymouth or solent way to london.

think the only answer is have your boat nearby, within an hour of where you live, don't have young children, or anyone else round which you have to work round timewise, which again is another issue for us. Can't even imagine having a boat in the med, we just wouldn't ever get there.

windermere here we come, going round in circles actually sounds attractive
 
I've never even considered, financially or otherwise, Med boating. Having family in Andalucia I'm overly familiar with the ballache of short visits and how ad hoc ones just don't work. Once upon a time I could door to door from Portsmouth to Mijas in 5 hours or so but no longer.

However if lerisure time is very flexible and cost of flight no object I can see how it my work out. Don't see how it would be cheaper than in the UK though, as some have claimed, unless marina and fuel are vastly less and you never did any work on the boat yourself anyway.
 
Its always good to get an alternate view and must confess - not having the yacht down the road to fuss over each weekend is one true downside to keeping it overseas.

But upsides for us at least, do outweigh the balance.

We buy airfares early block booking - and if it later turns out we need ot change dates / names etc we pay the addded cost. IMHO overall this gives us cheaper flights.

It cost us around £1,700 pa to moor a 46 footer. Down the road that would cost us over £6,000. You can get a lot of annual visits out of that difference.

And weather wise whilst no forecast is 100% - we find coastal forecast for our Med region more accurate than for the UK - and generally time trips to ensure we can use the boat in sunshine.

We also chose a marina with a good expat community so not only do we have pals on arrival - but they also keep an eye on the boat whilst we are in the UK.

So for us, on balance - it works well.

Cheers
JOHN
 
So if you have the time (which we will hopefully soon have), non school age kids (check), then the best bet seems to be to use the boat Apr-Jun and Sep-Nov, and charter it out during July and August to get a fair chunk of the costs repaid. That maybe solves the cost, visitor spaces, and some of the dangerous critters problems, and with global warming the UK is probably going to be more pleasant in the height of summer than the med. Plus you can always keep a RIB or similar on a trailer in the UK for the nice days.

I'm surprised at your comments about the social scene, in most of the well known med marina we've visited three quarters of the boats have red ensigns, and most the voices you hear on board are English.

Also, did you find the harbours and marinas as samey in the SoF? There you at least have the option of some big and lively towns alongside the resort marinas and pretty anchorages?
 
Crikey Mike, is it the wrong time of month /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

Yes a lot of what you say are facts of life for Med boating but you make them sound like they are overwhelming negatives.

Is this just an attempt to dissuade UK boaters from migrating en masse to the Med when Red diesel goes up? and making berths even rarer and more expensive.

So you're never kept in port by bad weather in the UK then? and all the neighbouring berth holders in "friendly" UK marinas are people you wish to socialise with.

I accept your general points but it's not all that bad. Never mind "good days" in the Med being better than good days here, In my opinion average days in the Med are better than good days here as well.
 
excellent rant, quite right too. You forgot also to moan about lack of nice long evenings in summer med as well, it's "light out" in med and quite early.

Though ... I still remember that there was the sweeping snow off foredeck at easter in UK, so erm, dammit.

Bringing the med boat back to UK cured me, for the moment anyway, got back to med and wondered whythe heck i had gone to uk.

I rate Dartmouth way up with any townie anchorage in med, er apart from it being too cold to swim much .

However, right now you are almost at the very end of the long med-no-boating season, hence esp tetchy imho.
 
I guess it doesn't work for everyone but I still dream of owning a boat in the Med. Being self employed means I can take time off during the week, especially out of season.
I think Med boating could work well on a shared basis because you're bound to spend less time there than a boat 10 mins away.
I just need to convince my brother that the needs 1/2 a Fairline Targa and I'm set. /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
Quite an interesting debate, I can see where Mike comes from. We suffer from over inflated flights and long travel times. I think last year we did 10 Med trips in 12 months and it was knackering for the weekends, and the reality is the Fri to Sun/Mon weekend is very expensive unless you book in advance (like 9 months). We paid £220 for 2 single tickets Palma to Liverpool last weekend (We flew out via Madrid so the outward journey didnt count). Its not so much the cost, which you can budget for, but its what you could do with the money boating wise in the UK.

As Mike says we get despondant when the weather is bad, and we are stuck - if you want to fly back early there is a huge premium to pay - even in June and August we had very stormy weather, so we were stuck for a week unable to get out.

On the balance side when we do get out in clam flat seas there probably isnt any greater place to be - dolphins running alongside, and many many coves to drop anchor and relax, clear blue waters and warm sun. But we only had that for a couple of trips in 2006, mainly around September which was by far the best month for me.

I have had my rants about the Med, and the biggest is the lack of control over my boat, and the reliance on other people for keeping it in good condition.

I often ask the question, would I take the ability to get to my boat in 1.5 hours, anytime I see a weather window, snatched during the week, the weekend, or late in the afternoon, in the UK, vs a day commute with pre-booked times but the chance of warmer weather?

At the moment I have a plan B to move the boat back from the med to Holyhead for October 2007,but if I get a good year this year I couldchange my mind....again!......
 
Actually we have found a difference between SoF and Spain/Balearics. You are right that the SoF does indeed have some chic and interesting towns and villages behind the coastline unlike Spain/Balearics although Palma itself is an attractive city. In the UK, boating has been a tradition for many years and marinas have grown up around working harbours and ports which give many marinas a very boaty feel. I'm thinking about places like Yarmouth (IoW), Weymouth, Dartmouth, Salcombe etc. In the Med, marinas have developed much more recently and IMHO are not so much an integral part of their location. The boating social scene bit is more to do with the little time people spend on their boats as much as anything else. Even in high season, I've been amazed how little activity there is on the boats around us in Palma which is good in a way. If everyone used their boats in August you'd never get into any anchorages. Yes there are plenty of red ensigns on boats in the Med but many boats sporting red ensigns are foreign owned but UK registered. I believe some foreign owners would rather use UK registration for reasons of corporate ownership and confidentiality
 
I will echo the busy bit - even in Alcudia peak period of July and August, sure there are more people around, but the pontoons are not that busy. Having said that Boats appear from nowehere so there are never any visitor spaces. The boat next to us the owners use for 4 consecutive weeks a year, otherwise it stands empty
 
OK, the post was a bit tongue in cheek and I am feeling a touch grumpy but, yes, you've seen right through me. We don't want any more of the great British unwashed boating public in the Med and we all have to do our bit to put them off
 
Yes you are right, of course. I have'nt seen my boat since end October and I'm feeling a trifle grumpy
 
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