Why is everything getting bigger and bigger.

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To tack back towards the original topic, in my current - possibly never to be resolved - search for a new, or next, boat, one type I’ve looked for in vain is what might be described as a day boat that sails like a witch, with some residential comforts. Say, 9m loa with standing room downstairs, heads that are more glamorous than bucket and chuck-it and a separate sleeping cabin.

There are older designs that more or less fit the bill but nothing new.

Perhaps there’s no market for it?
Winner yachts from Holland? I recall good balance between speed and comfort and a lot of options to equip 8 or 9m boats for day sail/racing or cruising. On my shortlist but I went older, larger and more comfortable.........

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Continuing the theme of getting bigger and bigger, I've now got hot water and a shower too :p

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I don't need the extra space though. Still Billy no mates, and every mile I've sailed this one has been on my own.

I'm afraid to break it to you, but your boat is haunted. Or there's a sort of reverse Fight Club scenario going on.🤔
 

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I'm afraid to break it to you, but your boat is haunted. Or there's a sort of reverse Fight Club scenario going on.🤔

Rigger of the Pinta was on-board for that trip from fuel berth to quayside 10m away. He suggested that I return to my cabin to get some rest after a long voyage of 30 seconds while he guided my vessel, and lo and behold, when I surfaced, he'd removed the mast. Total trip was less than a boat length, so doesn't count :devilish:.
 
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Rigger of the Pinta was on-board for that trip from fuel berth to quayside 10m away. He suggested that I return to my cabin to get some rest after a long voyage of 30 seconds while he guided my vessel, and lo and behold, when I surfaced, he'd removed the mast. Total trip was less than a boat length, so doesn't count :devilish:.

Took me a few seconds for the Josh Slocum reference to filter to the surface of my brain. Respect.
 

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Finger berth?

Yes. In the picture one float wound in to get close to the quayside for the crane to reach the mast, the other out to loosen the backstay for mast removal. With the electric winch it takes less than a minute to wind the floats in and out. When I'm away cruising I don't visit marinas often, but if I do I offer to fold up but usually don't have to. It's no problem maneuvering around a marina floats in or out and I have never been charged more.
 
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Yes. In the picture one float wound in to get close to the quayside for the crane to reach the mast, the other out to loosen the backstay for mast removal. With the electric winch it takes less than a minute to wind the floats in and out. When I'm away cruising I don't visit marinas often, but if I do I offer to fold up but usually don't have to. It's no problem manoeuvring around a marina floats in or out and I have never been charged more.
I hope it's not discriminatory to quote the old joke: "Never mind the quality, feel the width"!
 

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Yes. In the picture one float wound in to get close to the quayside for the crane to reach the mast, the other out to loosen the backstay for mast removal. With the electric winch it takes less than a minute to wind the floats in and out. When I'm away cruising I don't visit marinas often, but if I do I offer to fold up but usually don't have to. It's no problem maneuvering around a marina floats in or out and I have never been charged more.
Even the rapacious Bucklers Hard don’t charge us extra, though frequently we need to fold one float simply to squeeze in. That’s fairly universalin fact. If marinas can fit you in open, it won’t be extra. We always offer to fold, sometimes we can open a float once we are in.
 

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If we tackled Biscay, I’d want to be very sure of the weather. And it's not an ocean crossing boat. But how many people actually do that. Half a dozen like ours have sailed around Britain. It suits us, no ocean ambitions. We’ll go anywhere in the channel, or as far as South Brittany. Happy with that.
 

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It is much more simple than posted

Since the 60's many people's wealth has increased, both in terms of capital and income.

We can now afford more than we, or our parents, did then.

On what are we going to spend our wealth (and income) or are we all leaving it for our children or charity (if there is a difference between charity and children :).

If you want to post and say you are impecunious - that's possibly because you own a big yacht. :)

We live in houses that are too big for our needs, we drive big flash cars (who owned a Jaguar or Mercedes in the 60s, I now see learner drivers in BMWs, Lexus, Jaguar and Mercs). Hands up if you learnt to drive in one of these cars. In the 60s we had just got rid of rationing. Who went to the Caribbean for holidays in the 60s, who went on holidays outside the UK in the 60s.

Harold Macmillan said in 1957, of Britons "you have never had it so good" - he had no idea and he won the election 2 years later. Since then Governments have changed but wealth/income for many has inexorably increased.

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I empathise with tose of us brought up (Dragged) on 20 / 22 foot boats, rinsing dishes in the harbour before a quick wash in limited fresh water on board. Yes, as a 10 year old my job was foredeck and changing headsails - FUN! Probably now be in court answering to socail services.
The main change to me has been mass production bringing down the relative cost allayed to an increase in disposable income.
I was on a course in London when the last earls Court Boat Show was on - late night opening Thursday!! On the way I pondered, mid / late 70's? boats hit £1k /foot, I guessed a 30 footer would then be £120k imagine my surprise to find a Bavaria 32 for approximately £45k, compared to my uncles Elizabethan 31 it was MASSIVE down below.
 

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Winner yachts from Holland? I recall good balance between speed and comfort and a lot of options to equip 8 or 9m boats for day sail/racing or cruising. On my shortlist but I went older, larger and more comfortable.........

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That looks interesting. Thanks. I may, however, follow your lead. Some days I think I’d be happier with considerably more room… Decisions, decisions…
 

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That’s really nice, Angus. Sadly I think Scott, of Yarmouth harbour would have kittens if we showed up with one🤣 He’s edgy enough with the 920.
A highlight of my summer was coming into Yarmouth on a busy 'limited space' Saturday...
"Did you say EIGHTY FIVE meters skipper?"
"Negative... EIGHT POINT FIVE"
"Oh (laughs) no worries, you're tiny, we'll fit you in..."

Still not sure how I feel about being regarded as 'tiny' :LOL:
 

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Since I started sailing in 1965, yachts and motorboats have grown in size and complexity. A 24 to 26ft yacht was considered to be a family cruiser in the 1960s, now a 40ft yacht is considered a starter boat by many yachting journalists.

This problem of expansion of size seems everywhere with boats. Today 2 announcements on different web sites shows more world records.

Royal Huisman are nearing completion of the world's largest sport fishing boat at 52 metres overall.
World's largest sportfish yacht nears completion - Marine Industry News

Royal Caribbean International have taken delivery of the world’s largest cruise ship, Icon of the Seas, from Meyer Turku shipyard in Turku, Finland.
Royal Caribbean Takes Delivery of Icon of the Seas, the World's Largest Cruise Ship

Strangely most commercial aircraft are getting smaller after the demise of the 747 and Airbus 380. Recently I read plans of Pathfinder 1's 400ft airship which is twice the size of a Boeing 747-8 - the world's longest aircraft - and there are plans for an even bigger one.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/tech/24871783/worlds-biggest-aircraft-pathfinder-google/
LTA’s Large Rigid Airship Gets Airborne | Aviation Week Network

Is size everything?
I was also wondering about the expansion of everrything!
 
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