Why don't you like Mobo's?

[Searush]

What's this about "Picture waiting moderator approval?"

When was that policy instigated? Is there something about the pic that triggered a warning flag? WTF is going on?

 

[oGaryo]

What's this about "Picture waiting moderator approval?"

When was that policy instigated? Is there something about the pic that triggered a warning flag? WTF is going on?

this has happened to every picture I've uploaded to my profile since joining the forum Steve... no doubt it's being vetted for naughtiness (as opposed to nautiness)

 

[Searush]

this has happened to every picture I've uploaded to my profile since joining the forum Steve... no doubt it's being vetted for naughtiness (as opposed to nautiness)

Gotcha; then use photobucket (boatophucket?) it isn't moderated so pics appear right away.

like this;

 

[oGaryo]

I've dabbled in crewing a sailing yacht in the 80's and loved the thrill of taking the helm when the wind was up, I've taken the day skipper theory course and listended to the sail and stick folk bang on about peacefulness, tranquility etc etc and I always try my best to take heed underway to allow those guys to continue to do so.

What did it for me was the numerous passages with no wind with the motor on full chat spending an age getting back to home port with the stink of diesel in my nostrils whilst getting nowhere fast.

For me, the answer was to get a mobo.. it's just a better tool for the job I have in mind.... I can go slow should I wish, get to the places I want to go to quickly if I wish and can bob about in the ogin looking up at the stars pretty much any time I like.

I'm not so shallow that I look upon those that have made their tool choices differently and therefore frown upon them... unless of course, they're arrogant blinkered dickwads with either a major chip on their shoulders or an unwillingness to learn.. those folk get treated as they would treat me

 

[oGaryo]

Gotcha; then use photobucket (boatophucket?) it isn't moderated so pics appear right away.

like this;

now that's a cracking picture Steve, thanks for posting... all it needs now is the sun glinting off a wake shot to make it perfect lols

 

[Elessar]

Stereotype, Stereotype, Stereotype,


I hate the Hun, but Fritz is different, he's just like me. (WW1 & 2)

Commies are dangerous, but Ivan's a nice guy. (1950's)

Muslim's hate Christians, but Mohammad at the cornershop's very helpfull. (now)

MoBo's (or Raggies) are all snobs, but the ones I know are OK.

Just get to know the guys, have a chat next time you are moored nearby & spread that good word. Many on here do this already and most people who go boating are lovely when you get to know them.

But beware, there are still some @rseholes wherever you go.

right again SR

 

[Chrissie]

I dont hate mobos or mobo people, but just as there are rag and stickers who sail badly or stick their sails up when they are under engine power and insist on standing on, forcing others under windpower alone to divert course,
there are also the mobos who come right up close at speed, or come over to cross in front of my bow, then shoot off to where they were originally heading,
also whats that game where you get two powerboats that come over and pass either side of a yacht, and two minutes later come back and do it again?
Ive got friends who have mobos, and coming sailing with me they are shocked at the behaviour of a small minority of mobos, and in turn when there are yachts that insist in trying to pass in front instead of safely behind.

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Ok, how do I get a picture from photobucket onto this site? please

 

[Elessar]

I think it's a mind set thing...sailors have a different raison d'être to mobo owners.
Some can cross over from one to the other but usually have a natural affinity for one over the other. Personally I prefer the peacefulness of sailing over the noise of motor boating. The is also more of a challenge with sailing than motoring that I enjoy.

sometime yes. But come on the motivation of an ocean racer is very different from the creek crawler. Its not just a mobo/sail thing.

Personally I love boating full stop. I sailed long before I went near a mobo, but now my choice is sail on my own or cruise on my mobo with my wife. A very easy decision.

I have been on the boat for the last 2 and a bit weeks. I have spent a total of about 4 hours at planing speed (22-23 knots) and about 30 hours at displacement speed (5.6 knots). OK its not as peaceful as sailing but its hardly noisy - I can read and/or listen to (quiet) music with the autopilot on at low speed with the seascape quietly passing by. If it rains I put the covers up, if the wind is the wrong way it doesn't matter and if the weather is going to turn for the worse (or if the pub might shut) I just open the taps and get to my destination.

Then when i do get there I've a cockpit that can seat 12, 6 of which are around a nice table. The seats are soft and comfy and your sails don't help you then - my boat wins!

I've found I can light my new cobb barbecue by putting it on the dashboard whilst under way too. Great things - but that's another thread.

When I really need a sailing fix I go with a friend or get my tinker tramp out and sail that - on my own of course.

But even if you're right and the mindset is completely different, to go back to the OP, that's no reason to dislike each other is it?

 

[ricky_s]

But even if you're right and the mindset is completely different, to go back to the OP, that's no reason to dislike each other is it?

As the OP, I couldn't agree more.

I've been amazed at some of the replies to be honest. Searush often ribs mobo owners (had me a few times over the last couple of years) but he doesn't hate us like it seems some on here do.

 

[maxi77]

I think it's a mind set thing...sailors have a different raison d'être to mobo owners.
Some can cross over from one to the other but usually have a natural affinity for one over the other. Personally I prefer the peacefulness of sailing over the noise of motor boating. The is also more of a challenge with sailing than motoring that I enjoy.
As for jet ski's and wet bikes they are usually piloted by the ignorant and unwary and are consequently dangerous and to be avoided at all costs.

A mindset thing is bigotry plain and simple. People are no less people because they get their pleasure in different ways. Now people who are either ignorant or who get pleasure from causing others pain or discomfort now that is different. There is no problem with the boat, it is always the nut on the tiller/wheel what ever type of boat it is.

 

[Ariadne]

I have no problem with Mobos at all, we are all at sea doing our own thing so live and let live.

I do have a major problem with anybody who runs a generator (especially if it's for air conditioning or a fridge!!!!!!) after 18.00 hrs in an anchorage/town quay mooring though! These anti-social people should keel hauled, then flogged.

Oh yea, and the jet skiers - they should flogged at the point of hire/purchase and daily after that.

 

[Madhatter]

sometime yes. But come on the motivation of an ocean racer is very different from the creek crawler. Its not just a mobo/sail thing.

Personally I love boating full stop. I sailed long before I went near a mobo, but now my choice is sail on my own or cruise on my mobo with my wife. A very easy decision.

I have been on the boat for the last 2 and a bit weeks. I have spent a total of about 4 hours at planing speed (22-23 knots) and about 30 hours at displacement speed (5.6 knots). OK its not as peaceful as sailing but its hardly noisy - I can read and/or listen to (quiet) music with the autopilot on at low speed with the seascape quietly passing by. If it rains I put the covers up, if the wind is the wrong way it doesn't matter and if the weather is going to turn for the worse (or if the pub might shut) I just open the taps and get to my destination.

Then when i do get there I've a cockpit that can seat 12, 6 of which are around a nice table. The seats are soft and comfy and your sails don't help you then - my boat wins!

I've found I can light my new cobb barbecue by putting it on the dashboard whilst under way too. Great things - but that's another thread.

When I really need a sailing fix I go with a friend or get my tinker tramp out and sail that - on my own of course.

But even if you're right and the mindset is completely different, to go back to the OP, that's no reason to dislike each other is it?

Exactly,
I love sailing with sails but above all I love being on the water with careful and considerate use you can spend more time on the water with a mobo but still get the tranquillity of sailing.
BTW I have only got a sailing boat.

 

[Giblets]

I can honestly say that I have never been on a mobo (not counting those on Goodrington Boating Lake ) but it would appear that one of the main gripes on this thread is the question of wake.

Whilst bobbing about in the entrance to Pompy it never ceases to amaze me how so few moboers look behind them and see the carnage being caused to yachts and smaller boats by their wake. OK, they may be doing the regulation 10 knot speed (which is a maximum not a target) but there is also a requirement "not to cause annoyance to the occupants of any other vessel or cause damage or danger to any other vessel or to any moorings or other property."

 

[Searush]

I can honestly say that I have never been on a mobo (not counting those on Goodrington Boating Lake ) but it would appear that one of the main gripes on this thread is the question of wake.

Whilst bobbing about in the entrance to Pompy it never ceases to amaze me how so few moboers look behind them and see the carnage being caused to yachts and smaller boats by their wake. OK, they may be doing the regulation 10 knot speed (which is a maximum not a target) but there is also a requirement "not to cause annoyance to the occupants of any other vessel or cause damage or danger to any other vessel or to any moorings or other property."

There is a small issue there, planing MoBo's need to watch the water ahead very carefully. Hitting a pot marker, plan or awash container when planing would be catastrophic. Consequently, very few look behind them - ever. I suppose that, unlike slow moving raggies who are always looking over their shoulders for faster traffic, they will never be overtaken.

But the issue of wash in calm waters is vital to small fishing boats, dinghies, Micropluses & boats on moorings, at anchor or sailing. No big deal in rough seas, but in sheltered waters, please look over your shoulder at the poor souls hanging on for fear of death some way behind you.

From observation, many of the worst offenders seem to be bows in the air, not quite on the plane or just badly trimmed. It must cost them a fortune to cause so much havoc to others as I presume that planing gives better speed/ltr and less wash.

 

[doug748]

Fundamentally, perhaps, foreigners are disliked because they are not like us.
I suspect motorboaters of hacking little bits out of my pastime for their passing amusement. Turning harbours into expensive, amenity driven car parks with Waitrose ready to hand.
I think they have never read Slocum or looked up at the stars in an empty anchorage. I don't think they are dreamers. I worry that their boating is merely a good fit between the Skiing and three weeks in Barbados. The emphasis on new, better and faster concerns me, I find it difficult to see a motorboat washed like a car. I am troubled by the emphasis on speed, on being at sea for the least possible amount of time between stops. I am baffled by the little table lamp that always glows, the essential freezer and the twin 500hp engines that have to be run without end. It affects me that the boat seems to be just another object of desire and the activity itself is of little account.
I find I am oddly concerned that a cruise has become a fast hack between marina stops "good meals" and "clean showers". As a kid I thought it was so much more.

But most of all, I don't like the wash.

Of course this is a subjective and partial piece of self reflection, but the man asked, and I said. For what it is worth you can level the same charges at a lot of saily boat folk, all except the bit about the wash, that is.

I must add, for folk that might get the wrong idea, that I have never had cause to be upset or fall out with any serious m/boater. Quite the opposite I have found them to be generally as charming as the rest. I always wave back.
I should put it on record that when I asked here for a volunteer to lug 45 metres of chain back from Birmingham for me, it was a powerboater that obliged, refusing all payment and going out of his way to deliver it.

As Lord Soper said; you can regret the sin and at the same time love the sinner

 

[Elessar]

As the OP, I couldn't agree more.

I've been amazed at some of the replies to be honest. Searush often ribs mobo owners (had me a few times over the last couple of years) but he doesn't hate us like it seems some on here do.

I'm sorry to out you like this searush and take away all your forum cred - he's actually a nice chap! He ribs yes, but only for fun.

 

[Elessar]

I can honestly say that I have never been on a mobo (not counting those on Goodrington Boating Lake ) but it would appear that one of the main gripes on this thread is the question of wake.

Whilst bobbing about in the entrance to Pompy it never ceases to amaze me how so few moboers look behind them and see the carnage being caused to yachts and smaller boats by their wake. OK, they may be doing the regulation 10 knot speed (which is a maximum not a target) but there is also a requirement "not to cause annoyance to the occupants of any other vessel or cause damage or danger to any other vessel or to any moorings or other property."

Yep I agree.
Speed limits are a hindrance in this regard, and the worst culprits (to generalise) tend to be ribs and small fishers.
However dont forget who is impacted most by inconsiderate wash - and it isn't you with your 2 tonnes of lead hanging off the bottom!

 

[PeterR]

I sail on the Orwell and we get more than our fair share of the Romford Navy on tour. To be honest the majority of them are careful of their wash, give way to sail, even dinghies, and are generally decent human beings. However, that leaves a very significant minority who career down river leaving flooded dinghies, spilt drinks and flogging sails in their wake.

On one occasion I was beating upriver, pinching to lay the next bend, when a large gin palace appeared on a reciprocal course. He refused to give way by an inch and we eventually passed with a clearance of about 2 feet. As he went by he peered down and told me I should learn the rules of the road and sail up the right hand side of the channel.

He could have avoided me most easily by a small change of course the wrong side of a navigation buoy. However, I have yet to see any mobo travel outside the big ship channel even when, as in this case, there was 4 metres of tide on top of chart datum.

As for jetskiers they are completely beyond the pall and should be condemned, without right of appeal, to an eternity in purgatory. They seem to treat moored yachts as part of a slalom course where the object is to fill your cockpit with spray.

 

[Vara]

I love mobo's.

When I've got loads of money I will pay for my mobo to follow me so that I can have leisurely breakfasts.

Won't use it for anything else though.

 

[Elessar]

I sail on the Orwell and we get more than our fair share of the Romford Navy on tour. To be honest the majority of them are careful of their wash, give way to sail, even dinghies, and are generally decent human beings. However, that leaves a very significant minority who career down river leaving flooded dinghies, spilt drinks and flogging sails in their wake.

On one occasion I was beating upriver, pinching to lay the next bend, when a large gin palace appeared on a reciprocal course. He refused to give way by an inch and we eventually passed with a clearance of about 2 feet. As he went by he peered down and told me I should learn the rules of the road and sail up the right hand side of the channel.

He could have avoided me most easily by a small change of course the wrong side of a navigation buoy. However, I have yet to see any mobo travel outside the big ship channel even when, as in this case, there was 4 metres of tide on top of chart datum.

As for jetskiers they are completely beyond the pall and should be condemned, without right of appeal, to an eternity in purgatory. They seem to treat moored yachts as part of a slalom course where the object is to fill your cockpit with spray.

hope you reported him?

there was a d1ckhead in the Itchen last week going way too fast, I contacted soton VTS unsure if they had authority in the itchen. They do, swapped me to another channel for more details, they looked at their camera on the Itchen bridge and intercepted him at the soton water intersection. Result

You're right the mobos shouldn't use the big ship channel but I do wonder why you need to either - you wouldn't in soton water for example but I don't know the orwell.

I teach motorboaters (and theory to sailors too) and spend a lot of time on wash education. But as I said, remember who is affected by it most and it isn't you, unless you're in your rubber mobo.

And your complaint here was a colregs issue, and I have to say ignorance of colregs is, in my experience, fairly well distributed across boaters of all propulsion types.........