Why are motorboaters generally nicer than people who sail?

[caiman]

'Obnoxious moaning gits' , 'Wan**rs' ?? You seem to have a nice balanced view on the subject of other types of water user;
Cheers

 

[LittleShip]

Worst yacht club I've been in was SCYC.Moveing up from a GP 14 I went there as a youth to ask to put up a poster to try and gain crewing experiance.
Cheers

South Caernarfon Yacht Club, strange, I have been several times with yachts and even with my old MoBo and they have always been accommodating and helpful. Free mooring and club tender to get ashore. The only downside was the water fleas going through the moorings.

Tom.

 

[caiman]

LittleShip-it was a great many years ago.I think that since Pwllheli Marina opened they have had to treat people a bit better.However the damage is done.I doubt that they have missed my attendance.I certainly do not feel that I have lost out by my 'boycot'.I got the crewing/experiance I wanted from very nice people in my home Yacht Club and are now giving out my experiance/local knowledge to new sailors at the Club whenever I'm asked.But,as a young man,I left SCYC that day with a very poor impression of so called 'yachtsmen',vowing never to go there again,or turn into someone like them.
Cheers

 

[freddy the frog]

i do sailing and motorboating and yes you are right unfriendly for sure , watch them come into a marina unprepared no fenders a bundle of ropes not ready, about 6 on board normally only the helmsman seems to know what to do, offer a hand or to take a line and they decline they would rather bump off the boat next to them. most look cold and miserabal, funny old lot.

 

[Davegriff]

Can't say in 50 odd years boating I've ever noticed a particular anymosity between sailors and mo'boers. I certainly have noticed though that whereas at one time, everyone it seemed, would give a cheery wave to passing boats, irrespective of boat type, these days, boaters seem to adopt the 'big city' attitude of totally ignoring anyone not known personally. Real pity that.

 

[Greenheart]

Far be it from me to attempt to drift or derail the OP's theme...

...but far more noticeable (to me) than any difference (or indifference) between sailors and motor-boaters, is the chilly, grumpy, seemingly nasty nature of professionals afloat...

...fishermen, dredger-hands, ferryboat crews...they all routinely look as if they'd thought of something unpleasant when one's gaze meets theirs.

Are they perpetually regretting a life of paid toil afloat, where we choose to regard most of our boat-work (which we pay to do) as pleasurable, or at least as rewarding?

 

[l'escargot]

i do sailing and motorboating and yes you are right unfriendly for sure , watch them come into a marina unprepared no fenders a bundle of ropes not ready, about 6 on board normally only the helmsman seems to know what to do, offer a hand or to take a line and they decline they would rather bump off the boat next to them. most look cold and miserabal, funny old lot.

Sounds like a school boat to me, generally only the skipper knows what they are doing and the rest are learning so they don't want them handing anyone a line.

 

[Cheery]

I am led to believe nearly every other boat in the West Indies is a Cat.

I was going to start a thread on this as my son has just started working in the BVI. Looking at the view from his balcony there seems to be a lot more Cats than you would see in a similar European bay. Why is this? Is it a cultural thing and they are more established, or is it because (hurricanes aside) the weather is more conducive over 12 months to staying on deck?

 

[rustybarge]

I was going to start a thread on this as my son has just started working in the BVI. Looking at the view from his balcony there seems to be a lot more Cats than you would see in a similar European bay. Why is this? Is it a cultural thing and they are more established, or is it because (hurricanes aside) the weather is more conducive over 12 months to staying on deck?

Privacy is at a premium onboard a boat, and the yanks know all about comfort and easy living. The two hulls in a cat make a perfect space for two enormous self contained condo's, each with it's own heads, dressing room and double bed; and because Cats have such a large beam, you're 25' away from your guests.

All large Cats are essentially deck saloon boats, all on one level, leading out to a massive cockpit area and swim platform.
Most important there is a fantastic 360 degree view from the saloon, unlike the cave like interiors of a typical mono with tiny port lights that pass as windows.

Accommodation wise what's not to like, nearly double the living space of a comparable length mono, except the mooring fees!!!!:ambivalence:

 

[KINGFISHER 8]

I used to find it amusing when I kept both a sailing boat AND a motor boat in Gosport ... the same sailing people who would give me a cheery wave in return to mine, when I was sailing, would totally ignore my cheery wave the following day if I was in the motor boat ... this exiting Haslar and pottering out through the small boat channel. Motor boaters would always wave back whatever I was in ... just happy to get a wave ... I'm only talking about a polite raised hand here not leaping up and down waving both arms so it would seem that boat snobbery does exist ... also quite fun was a wave to very much larger sailing boats when we were sailing so there seems to be a size thing going on as well.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I was going to start a thread on this as my son has just started working in the BVI. Looking at the view from his balcony there seems to be a lot more Cats than you would see in a similar European bay. Why is this? Is it a cultural thing and they are more established, or is it because (hurricanes aside) the weather is more conducive over 12 months to staying on deck?

We chartered a trawler yacht in the BVI a few years ago and wished we'd chartered a cat instead. The main reason is that you spend nearly every night at anchor and obviously a cat is more stable at anchor than a monohull. Obviously, you also spend a lot of time on deck during the daytime and no question that the vast deck spaces of a cat are great for loafing. Then as rustybarge says, the 2 hulls of a cat give you a measure of privacy if you're chartering with another couple although I have to say that most sleeping cabins in cats are very poky things
I don't think that the same applies to Europe though. The problem in Europe is that we tend to spend more time in marinas and less time at anchor and finding a berth for a cat is both more difficult and a lot more expensive. Having said that, I don't think that the manufacturers of power cats help themselves by offering a level of finish and detail which is nowhere near the level that the top European monohull motorboat manufacturers offer. I guess if most of your products are going into the charter market, you don't need to offer more than a basic finish

 

[jimmy_the_builder]

Visit even the most upmarket marina in the S of France, and you can pi55 from the your Superyacht onto the deck of your neighbour no problem; and many do.

I'm a bit late to this class-war thread, sorry - but just to pick up on this one point: the most upmarket marina in the south of France is the IYCA in Antibes. That small boat in the gap is a Mangusta 92, iirc. Good luck hitting your neighbours deck from there

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

That small boat in the gap is a Mangusta 92, iirc. Good luck hitting your neighbours deck from there

Heh, heh, the owner of the Mangusta must feel like the really poor relation berthed there. I don't know about pissing on the deck of your neighbour but if that monster next door accidentally discharged his holding tank, the Mangusta could be sunk
PS why does anyone need so many sat domes?

 

[rustybarge]

I'm a bit late to this class-war thread, sorry - but just to pick up on this one point: the most upmarket marina in the south of France is the IYCA in Antibes. That small boat in the gap is a Mangusta 92, iirc. Good luck hitting your neighbours deck from there

...but you would be able to hit the deck of the small 92' minnow from your super super yacht.

 

[Imperial One]

It looks like he may just clear the mooring lines when he leaves without taking his radar arch off as long as he stays close to the side of the one with the mushrooms on the flybridge!

 

[Greenheart]

Our work is done, L'Escargot. The motor-boaters are now busy knocking the bigger motor-boaters. Let's get out of here - back to the safety of The Club. Is my tie straight? ride:

 

[l'escargot]

Our work is done, L'Escargot. The motor-boaters are now busy knocking the bigger motor-boaters. Let's get out of here - back to the safety of The Club. Is my tie straight? ride:

Yes Commodore, pink gin time I think...:encouragement:

 

[Greenheart]

Yars. First round's on me. Let's have it on the verandah and watch those stink-boats batter hell out of one another with their so-called berthing skills. Will they ever learn?

 

[rustybarge]

Our work is done, L'Escargot. The motor-boaters are now busy knocking the bigger motor-boaters. Let's get out of here - back to the safety of The Club. Is my tie straight? ride:

Don't forget your straw hat, and striped jacket.

 

[l'escargot]

Don't forget your straw hat, and striped jacket.

That's Henley old chap, not sailors like us... :disgust:

Be a terrible faux pas if you turned up at the yacht club dressed like that.