Which is the Better??

[Alistairr]

No, Not at all. Thanks Kevin.

As most of you may know, I am a Petrol Head, so i don't know much about the Diesel Engine.
My understanding is, that this is still the origional engine that the boat was supplied with.
Appart from that i know nothing about Mercruiser Diesels.../forums/images/icons/crazy.gif



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[gjgm]

this is probably rather unfair, but this post reminds me of the kind of thing a certain happy person would post (and then after everyones comments, tell us he d already bought one of them anyway). Come on alistair, you must have more of an inkling what boating you re after?? !

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

Neither

This is not about which is the better boat because there's no right answer to that one but it does illustrate how much more boat you get for your money if you're willing to look at boats a few years old. Not only do you get more boat but chances are you'll get most if not all of your money back when you sell.
FWIW, and entirely IMHO the Sealine is a toy boat, fine for zooming across the bay on a hot day but no good for extended cruising whereas the C-Kip is a roly-poly plodder thats going to bore you s******s. In fact they represent opposite ends of the boating spectrum in terms of what you can get for £70k.
I would have thought there are plenty of solid early or mid '90s boats of around 35ft or so which fall into this budget but give you both a bit of space and a bit of pace

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[Alistairr]

Awe come on Gavin,
We think the right boat for us would be a S28, But i have never seen one with this engine b/4, and this worries me.
The reason the C'Kip was brought into it, was cause Swmbo liked it, More a Boaty Boat, so too speak. And she wanted to know more about it. I liked it too, But thought we might not be ready for that type yet.

I am sorry if this feels like a post from another member, but its not.
And i certainly haven't bought anything yet.



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[Alistairr]

Re: Neither

We are looking at boating in and around the Clyde.
The thought of buying an older boat is a bit of a worry. Nobody likes problems.

The reason for the origional post was to try and get peoples views on 2 things,
1, The C'Kip,
2, The Merc Diesel.

I now feel after reading all the replies, the C'kip is not the boat for us.
We do like the S28, But i've never seen it with this engine.

I think a Sea Trial maybe in Order.

Thanks for all the replies.

Alistair.


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[powerskipper]

Al I am at sealine tomorrow will ask, don't remember one with single engin, the S28 is a nice boat, and with one engin , there will some storage down the engi, bay, There fun ,but only way to tell is get a demo of it, it will be different to your petrol, Go try it, al, and enjoy the demo.

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[MedDreamer]

Turncoat !!!!

Alistair

ITS DIESEL, how could you, after all these months of extolling the virtues of petrol do the dirty on us die-hard petrolheads.

I think you have fallen under the subliminal influence of our absent friend MWhiteley - and look what a fat lot of good his diesel conversion did him - it made his boat so desirable that someone bought it and now he is boatless!!!

Its a slippery slope my friend, just don't say I didn't try to warn you.

Martyn

PS Petrol in Majorca is 65p per litre

PPS For what its worth I like the S28



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[Alistairr]

Thanks Julie, It would be great if you could ask the question,

I have looked in at the engine, and BOY compared to mine there is Bags of space, No problem getting to things in there, You can even see the bilge pump/forums/images/icons/laugh.gif.
It was also Very Clean and the engine was Black!!!!/forums/images/icons/wink.gif





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[Alistairr]

Re: Turncoat !!!!

Oh Please Martyn, Don't start on me.
I know I know I know.

But Hey, I still own a Petrol Boat at the Moment.

BTW, When are you changing your name from MedDreamer??
And how was your first week in the Med??



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[Chris_B4]

Mercruiser have offered two versions of the 4.2 from sometime in the mid nineties. One is indirect injection at 220hp and the other is direct injection at 250hp (which appears to be what is in this S28).

I have two of the 250hp version in mine and although I have had problems with both my Bravo III drives and engines I put this primarily down to poor care and maintenance by previous owners. I like the engines, they are less complex and have a greater cc than the equivalent Volvo (KAD42 I guess) although I couldn't guess what the performance would be like in the S28 with just one of them.

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[TwoStroke]

When over in Alderney last weekend, came across a 1991 Princess 330, twin V.... 200bhp on shafts. Beautiful boat and very well cared for. Before current owner it was owned by ex navy mechanic. Owner was looking for £70k (inc TAX). Very tempted but unable to stretch it at the moment!

Something with a turn of speed and good handling for you???? /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[Roy]

Hi Alistairr

Stan the man has an S28 with twin kad32s for sale for around £80 k ish. Might be worth a look!? Maybe see you this weekend. Roy

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[jfm]

remember tides / Maxum

I wouldn't get either of them. First on the C Kip. This is a non starter becuase of the slow speed. I'm not sure about its speed but someone mentioned displacement speeds. I have done a fair bit of Clyde boating over last year in an 11knot displacement boat and you immediately realise that you have to plan all your trips around the strong tides. This is too restrictive if you want to just nip down at weekends

Second on the Sealine, i just dont like it anyway (just personal preference) but the single motor makes it a real duffer imho

Re pricing, I'm a bit confused though I have not studied these boats much. For example BarryD bort and sold a mint 2000 Maxum 3000SCR 30footer with twin diesels for around £60-64k. That's a bigger boat and twin engines, so miles better than the sealine surely?

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[Alistairr]

Re: remember tides / Maxum

I understand what you are saying.

Firstly, you are right about the C'kip, Its not a turn up, turn the key and go boat.
Secondly, The Sealine Being a Single screw is bothering me, especially if/when we take it into the clyde. People are saying to me No Problem, Buy an outboard as a'Get me Home Motor', But not to sure about that.
Thirdly, The Maxum 3000, is a nice boat. But its American, Having now been on and looked at a lot of boats, we feel that the better built boats are British. We also like the the style and layout of the S28. And it has one Very important feature, A descent Canopy.
Ideally We want calm seas and sunshine everytime we are all out sailing, But in this country it ain't gonna happen. We are fed up being stuck in the marina everytime its p#ssing it down, Which up here in Scotland is most of the time. So that means either buy a boat with a Flybridge, Wheelhouse, Hardtop or Good Canopy, IMHO the American boats just do not have a descent canopy. And looking around the Sealine fits the bill (space, handling,Style, Layout, VFM, And its pretty Watertight).
I know what you are saying about the Maxum, But surely being bigger and Twin engined, Doesn't make it a better boat than the Sealine.



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[Alistairr]

We went to Prossers on Monday after looking at the S28 at Kip.
They have 3 for sale at the moment, rangeing from £75k to £90k.

If my memory serves me right, They had a :
S28 2000 Twin Kad 32's for £75,995
The one i saw at Kip, I am told the offer would be accepted for £59,000
Ok, Its a Single Diesel.
But its a big difference £17k extra to get a Twin engined S28/forums/images/icons/shocked.gif.



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[miket]

S28 + Twins.

Agree with others. Incomparable boats.
If you like the S28 but not the single diesel, buy one with twins. There must be dozens for sale at any one time.
IMHO very difficult to sell a single engine S28 = hassle = avoid.

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[Mike21]

Personel preference Al would be S28 with twin kad's, suspect price of 59k for single is due to difficulty in selling it, you could always go for a slightly older S28, sealine soton have 1998 for about 66K with twins.
Unless the one you looked at has bowthruster would think twins much easier to manoevre.
Ignored C-kip as not my type of boat, and doubt it's yours unless your older than we think( much older)/forums/images/icons/smile.gif

Wouldn't think you'd have any problems with hull as speaking to surveyor when Julie's dad bought S34, said normaly never see any probs with hull on either S34 or S28

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[penfold]

Re: remember tides / Maxum

I'm a little confused; where on the Clyde have you encountered tides of more than one knot? The only places you'll get more than that is going upriver at springs (mebbe 2knots max) or round the Mull (scary big tides 4knots+). There are lots of tidal gates up the West coast however. Dorus Mor(5kt), Cuan sound(5kt), Sound of Luing(4kt), or the big scary one that I can't spell(7kt) between Jura and Scarba.

cheers,
david

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