Which is stand-on vessel?

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Yes it's pretty relevant.
Sunsail would have been racing.
They would not like you or me bimbling through their start.
Do unto others etc.

scumsail are normally easily deflected by reminding them about the damage deposit.... /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif

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I don't think even they are allowed to race with engines on and towing!
 
That little Yam of yours in the picture above is pushing you along nicely. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I agree with you and always feel that a disproportionate amount of thought is given to who is right/wrong in a close quarters situation and too little thought is given to how to make sure one avoids getting in that situation.

Not saying the OP is guilty of this. But just a general observation.
 
They were on "your" stb bow ~ you give way!!

Simple ~ whether they were towing or not has no relevance to you.

The fact that you were racing ~ no relevance ~ forget it ~ no where in the Colregs does it say that racing boats have priority over any other vessel.

The mere fact that they were on your stb side meant that you should have given way.

Peter.
 
As a mobo owner on the east coast where most mobo's give way to yachts even when motoring,all I can say is that if I see a car being towed on the road, even if by some young teenagers helping a mate, I apply basic common sense! I would like to thing that those of us intelligent enough to earn the funds required to own some of the boats we do would do likewise on the water. Live & let live, life is too short!!!!!
 
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Yes it's pretty relevant.
Sunsail would have been racing.
They would not like you or me bimbling through their start.
Do unto others etc.



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I don't think even they are allowed to race with engines on and towing!

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The point that they had been racing is that they are bound by RRS23 AFTER their race, i.e. not to impede other boats racing, even in a different race. It's a deal that all racing boats sign up to!

Most of these things are about recognising the situation far enough in advance to not have an issue in the first place. Generally, when sunsail have sails up, they are easily recognised and avoided.
 
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They were on "your" stb bow ~ you give way!!

Simple ~ whether they were towing or not has no relevance to you.

The fact that you were racing ~ no relevance ~ forget it ~ no where in the Colregs does it say that racing boats have priority over any other vessel.

The mere fact that they were on your stb side meant that you should have given way.

Peter.

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So 'on your stbd bow' is some sort of exception to power gives way to sail?
The level of colregs knowledge is quite worrying sometimes.
 
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That little Yam of yours in the picture above is pushing you along nicely. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

I agree with you and always feel that a disproportionate amount of thought is given to who is right/wrong in a close quarters situation and too little thought is given to how to make sure one avoids getting in that situation.

Not saying the OP is guilty of this. But just a general observation.

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I thank you for your support ! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

It's a Mariner 2.2 actually !! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif

But the real workhorse that day was the Perkins 4-107 .... average speed 5kts, consumption 1.9lts /hr - not bad for towing !
 
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They were on "your" stb bow ~ you give way!!

Simple ~ whether they were towing or not has no relevance to you.

The fact that you were racing ~ no relevance ~ forget it ~ no where in the Colregs does it say that racing boats have priority over any other vessel.

The mere fact that they were on your stb side meant that you should have given way.

Peter.

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Altered by fact OP is sailing ... other two (tow) are power driven vessel and tow .... so not quite ! /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
 
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always feel that a disproportionate amount of thought is given to who is right/wrong in a close quarters situation and too little thought is given to how to make sure one avoids getting in that situation.

Not saying the OP is guilty of this. But just a general observation.

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That's very true. In the racing rules, there are clear (to some!) rules about 'acquiring right of way' and how long you need to have been right of way before the other guy has to keep clear and how much the right of way boat can alter course, whereas in colregs the assumption seems to be more that the two boats were always on their courses and came from the horizon. It is down to judgement how far ahead you have to work.
 
Quite apart from the rights and wrongs (IMHO the OP was the stand on vessel) it is a matter of common courtesy, a vessel and tow presents a much larger object for other vessels to avoid so it would be decent of the helm of the tug to merely apply a bit of forethought to avoid inconvenience to others.
 
Not to get involved in the Colregs side of this, I would make two observations:

1. People do tend to shout silly things when they've had a fright.
2. As a fairly inexperienced sailor I'd be pretty nervous when towing for the first time.

Am well aware that this might not have been the case here, but just a thought.
 
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they started waving and gesticulating that they were towing. When close they shouted they were "restricted in their ability to maneouvre (manoeuvre) and we must give way" then "check you collision regs".

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Do you really talk to each other like that on the Solent, how sad.
 
Very true ... some of the things shouted can be pretty awful !

I still maintain that average yacht person is not experienced in towing. It's not hard for one to get into a situation that gets out of hand.
Jimi is right that skipper of towing craft should take care to avoid others - but quite often - Solent is good example - he will get close to others, simply because he's not staying out there all the time ! He does want to reach port as any other.
But how many appreciate the antics, actions, etc. of a towed craft as you enter tide races, conflicting currents ... towing vessel turns ..towed does something a bit different !!

You only have to see inexperienced car people towing another car - transpose that to boats !!

Anybody can tow another - but only a few can do it well in most circumstances.
 
On towing and being towed:

When I was about 12 and my cousin 14, we both thought we knew all about cars having spent our lives messing about with farm machinery and we set about getting an (even then) old Austin A30 running.

Now this car had been rotting in a barn for years and after we had fiddled about a bit with it we faced the problem of getting it started. My cousin hit on the idea of towing it around a field dropping the clutch and robert would be your father's brother.

So he "borrowed" a landie which his dad had left in the yard with the keys in and we attached a stout rope.

I was deputed to drive the tow and Simon drove the tug.

Round we went and the Austin wouldn't start.

So, Simon stopped and told me I was useless and I had to drive the tug and he'd show me how you bump started a car.

So off we went. Round and round.

Eventually I stopped as he was having no more luck than me.

I wandered over to find him crying like a baby. When he'd calmed down he explained that what I had failed to do was to notice that as I went round in circles, he, at the end of a 20m long pendulum, was experiencing 5G lateral forces and that all he'd been able to do was hang on and hope that his vehicle didn't turn over until either I got bored or ran out of fuel.

He did say something about having indicated with hand gestures that he wanted me to stop. I said I thought he was just waving because he was happy.
 
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