Which engine oil

russ said:
Just checking the handbook and the oil spec says VDS-2, ACEA E5 or API CH-4. Whatever that means. Is VDS-3 & 4 just later and better oil which replaces the need for VDS-2?
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API - is the american petroleum institute
ACEA - is the european automobile manufactures association (Association des Constructeurs Europeens d'Automobiles
The codes are basically for the qaulity of oil as you stated VDS 3 and 4 are better than VDS 2

I use Shell Rimula RT4X which is VDS 3 and is a good quality oil (but I would say that as I have barrels of the stuff Lol)

Jon
 
jon and michie said:
I use Shell Rimula RT4X which is VDS 3 and is a good quality oil (but I would say that as I have barrels of the stuff Lol)
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Me too
I have been using that Rimula oil for years.
Ever since the Volvo oil that I put in my old D12s foamed a lot.
It seems to me that Volvo have to use cheap poor quality oil in order to market it across their dealer/supplier network.
 
Mr Googler said:
Surely any oil advertised as vds3 or any other standard, will need approval from the oe company?

Unfortunately not as it is nothing to do with the company as they only supply the specifications.
It falls to a number of independent laboratories around the world to test and certify the oil and either it passes or fails.

In short, neither the OE company or the oil manufacturer has any say and its only the independent labs who supply the qualifying approval documents.
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Assassin said:
Unfortunately not as it is nothing to do with the company as they only supply the specifications.
It falls to a number of independent laboratories around the world to test and certify the oil and either it passes or fails.

In short, neither the OE company or the oil manufacturer has any say and its only the independent labs who supply the qualifying approval documents.
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that’s still ok then?
 
MartynG said:
20 litres of vds3 engine oil arrived this morning at 8am (Thursday) . Ordered on Tuesday afternoon .
£38.26 all in, including delivery, which is good value .

Supplied by
lubriagecarpartsaccessories on eBay
.... No connection just a customer
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Saw that on ebay, very tempted to get couple of drums, but already have 50L of oil in the garage.
Branded Volvo Penta "VD5 " oil floating around in the trade not that long ago at £25.00 for 20L.
Its all gone now.
 
Mr Googler said:
X

API: CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF. SL; ACEA: E7, E5, E3; Global: DHD-1; Caterpillar: ECF-2, ECF-1-A; Cummins: CES 20078, 77, 76 ,75, 72 ,71; DDC: 93K215; Deutz: DQC III-10; IVECO: T1 (Meets requirements);JASO: DH-1; Mack EO-M+, EO-M; MAN: M3275-1; MB-Approval 228.3; MTU: Category 2; Renault Trucks: RLD-2; Volvo: VDS-3;

L

API: CJ-4, CI-4+, CI-4, CH-4, CG-4, CF-4, CF; ACEA: E9, E7; Caterpillar: ECF-2, ECF-3; Cummins: CES 20081, 77, 72,71; Deutz: DQC III-10 LA; DDC: 93K218; IVECO: T2 E7 (Meets); MACK: EO-O Premium Plus; JASO DH-2, MAN: M3575; MB-Approval 228.31; MTU: Category 2.1; Renault Trucks: RLD-3, Volvo: VDS-4, VDS-3
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I believe X contains more zinc, so will protect flat tappet engines.

L is a low ash variant to prevent damage to emission control equipment.
 
I guess a lot of people haven't changed their oil in their boat (or car) due to relative lack of use this year .
A couple of people at the marina asked me why I am changing the oil.
Well the oil had been in the engines just over a year, last changed in August 2019. Probably done about 80 hours . The oil filters are about a six quid each. So for £50 I get fresh oil in both engines and that will certainly last me through 2021. For me its a logical decision - oil is cheaper than metal.
 
oldgit said:
Branded Volvo Penta "VD5 " oil floating around in the trade not that long ago at £25.00 for 20L.
Its all gone now.
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Not surprised it sold fast at that price .
Anything under £40 is a good price for 20L of engine oil , if it includes vat and delivery - mineral oil not necessarily the cheapest option these days .

The Mannol oil is now in my engines - looks and smells like any other oil (no surprise there).
The tub has no pull out spout and no breather like some so makes pouring the oil tricky (a little spillage) until part way down the tub - but that's a minor thing.
 
Rimula RT4 X for pretty much everything and I have been using it for years. - The RT4 L stuff we have switched to with the new Cummins we installed. It's a tiny bit more expensive and is required in most of the latest engines, usually they have extended service times. (The shell distributor tells me is stands for Low SAPS.) We use it in everything, generators and main engines, allows us to stock just the one oil (i just wish the gearboxes took it as well!)

I use Mannol products in my car, and they are pretty good I think, but I also do oil changes pretty regularly, and at half of the recommendation of the manufacturer, I think 18000 is a little ambitious for any oil ant any price!

If your higher hours then you will gain benefits using a good quality oil, lower hour units would probably benefit from more regular annual oil changes than stretching a 'better' oil for longer.
 
russ said:
I have just ordered 20Lt of Shell Rimula R4 X 15W/40 delivered for £72.00. A bit more than the Mannol but is always available.
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The Mannol oil is always available too - the price goes up and down a bit with different offers (that seems to be an ebay marketing thing). In my case I always have a couple of litres of oil left over out of the 20L but the engines don't consume any oil. So I flush the remains of the saved oil through the engine at each oil change.

At £72 the Shell oil remains better value than Volvo Penta branded oil , especially as its delivery included for that price .
 
MartynG said:
The Mannol oil is always available too - the price goes up and down a bit with different offers (that seems to be an ebay marketing thing). In my case I always have a couple of litres of oil left over out of the 20L but the engines don't consume any oil. So I flush the remains of the saved oil through the engine at each oil change.

At £72 the Shell oil remains better value than Volvo Penta branded oil , especially as its delivery included for that price .
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Paid £64 for 20litres direct form the local shell supplier. - have to pick it up though
 
jwfrary said:
................... stretching a 'better' oil for longer.
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The oil always comes out looking the same regardless of the label on the tub (including Shell).
In my Volvo's it becomes blacker with engine hours rather than time.
 
MartynG said:
The oil always comes out looking the same regardless of the label on the tub (including Shell).
In my Volvo's it becomes blacker with engine hours rather than time.
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Time doesn’t cause it to go black, however does cause other changes in the oils structure and there for annual changes are often recommended. For those reaching service hours within a year, then a good quality oil will over time leave you with a cleaner engine internally and less wear.

however considering the average boat ownership is only 3 years you probably won’t reap the benefits!
 
jwfrary said:
Time doesn’t cause it to go black, however does cause other changes in the oils structure and there for annual changes are often recommended. For those reaching service hours within a year, then a good quality oil will over time leave you with a cleaner engine internally and less wear.

however considering the average boat ownership is only 3 years you probably won’t reap the benefits!
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An interesting statistic.
I am the second owner of my present boat. It will be 18 years old in April.
Looking in the oil filler point the inside of the rocker box looks clean enough . So I must have been using good quality oil
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