Which diesel treatment?

[alahol2]

According to the Soltron site, Soltron, Startron & XBee are the same thing, using the same enzymes and produced in the same factory. The names are marketing devices. From my memory I first bought Soltron, that later became unavailable and I bought Startron.
The Soltron website won't allow me to cut and paste. See here

 

[sailoppopotamus]

I use Marine 16. The formula changed apparently a couple of years ago to cope with the increase in the bio-diesel in the fuel.
Thanks to Brexit one now cannot get Marine 16 in Greece and of course it is flammable so I cannot take it out when I fly
I wonder which of the recommendations in this thread are available in Greece or Italy or Croatia????


TS

Grotamar 82 is available in Greece, not sure about Italy and Croatia.

 

[alan_d]

There is no evidence of fuel becoming resistant to a treatment .... unlike a disease that mutates to resist a drug.

In the industry - additives have not significantly changed in decades ..... no need.

I don't think anyone was suggesting that the fuel became resistant to treatment but that the relevant micro-organisms might. It is not a disease that mutates in the case of e.g. antibiotic resistance but the pathogenic micro-organisms that cause disease. These mutate naturally, not "to resist a drug", but in the presence of a substance that is toxic to them those micro-organisms with mutations which resist the toxicity will preferentially survive and reproduce. There are therefore sound theoretical reasons for changing biocides from time to time.

It is also worth remembering that "No evidence of X" is not the same as "Evidence of no X".

 

[ChromeDome]

The Soltron website won't allow me to cut and paste.

Tip: Press and hold the Windows button and SHIFT while tabbing S


This opens Microsoft’s clipboard manager (a small "menu" top of the screen to select the shape of the selection). After capturing the desired area, the clip can be inserted anywhere by Ctrl-V.
While MS's tool is basic there are plenty of other clipboard managers around, even some free.

Personally use ClipboardFushion Pro (remembers any amount of Ctrl-C you make) and TechSmith Snag-It for images (both paid versions as I like to pay for tools that work for me).

 

[ChromeDome]

I use Marine 16. The formula changed apparently a couple of years ago to cope with the increase in the bio-diesel in the fuel.
Thanks to Brexit one now cannot get Marine 16 in Greece and of course it is flammable so I cannot take it out when I fly
I wonder which of the recommendations in this thread are available in Greece or Italy or Croatia????


TS

If you do a search in Google for
"grotamar 82" "€"
it returns hits where the specific name AND the Euro-sign is found. Several for you, among these svb24 who are known for shipping everywhere

 

[tudorsailor]

Just to be pedantic. windows+shift+s opens the snipping tool. The other way is simply to put snip in the search box. In fact I use it so often that I have it pinned to the task bar. I find its the best way of snipping an image and pasting it into somewhere else.

 

[ColinR]

I’ll be interested to know where you got grotamar. I thought it had been banned which is why I use marine 16

Banned? Do you know why? I must have got it years ago, it's such a low dose a litre bottle lasts ages. No idea where I got it, probably in a chandler.

 

[alahol2]

Thanks Chrome and Tudor...every day's a school day.

 

[Momac]

This looks economical - the dose rate is tiny

 

[Poignard]

Tip: Press and hold the Windows button and SHIFT while tabbing S
View attachment 148591

This opens Microsoft’s clipboard manager (a small "menu" top of the screen to select the shape of the selection). After capturing the desired area, the clip can be inserted anywhere by Ctrl-V.
While MS's tool is basic there are plenty of other clipboard managers around, even some free.

Personally use ClipboardFushion Pro (remembers any amount of Ctrl-C you make) and TechSmith Snag-It for images (both paid versions as I like to pay for tools that work for me).

That's very good.

I use Ctrl + Shift +S

 

[Refueler]

According to the Soltron site, Soltron, Startron & XBee are the same thing, using the same enzymes and produced in the same factory. The names are marketing devices. From my memory I first bought Soltron, that later became unavailable and I bought Startron.
The Soltron website won't allow me to cut and paste. See here

There was a lot of argument commercially about Soltron and Startron ... - the producers of Startron forced the issue and Soltron was basically off market and Startron cont'd on ....

There's actually a lot of history to this and you need to look at all evidence - not just Soltrons version.

 

[Refueler]

That's very good.

I use Ctrl + Shift +S

I use CTRL + INSERT to pick up a copy ...... SHIFT + INSERT to paste the copy.

Learnt my keys on DOS !!

 

[Refueler]

I don't think anyone was suggesting that the fuel became resistant to treatment but that the relevant micro-organisms might. It is not a disease that mutates in the case of e.g. antibiotic resistance but the pathogenic micro-organisms that cause disease. These mutate naturally, not "to resist a drug", but in the presence of a substance that is toxic to them those micro-organisms with mutations which resist the toxicity will preferentially survive and reproduce. There are therefore sound theoretical reasons for changing biocides from time to time.

It is also worth remembering that "No evidence of X" is not the same as "Evidence of no X".

All due respect - splitting hairs a bit there .... I think we all realise that its not the fuel but the organism ....

As to change additive .... are you so sure that thyey are different ?? There must be 100's of additives out there for this job ... but in reality the product in the bottle ? likely only a handful actually different ... The difference comes when you use a non Enzymne vs an Enzyme based product.

 

[alahol2]

There was a lot of argument commercially about Soltron and Startron ... - the producers of Startron forced the issue and Soltron was basically off market and Startron cont'd on ....

There's actually a lot of history to this and you need to look at all evidence - not just Soltrons version.

I vaguely remember a kerfuffle concerning this in the distant past.
At the end of the day are they the same thing?
They seem to have worked for me so far.

 

[Refueler]

I vaguely remember a kerfuffle concerning this in the distant past.
At the end of the day are they the same thing?
They seem to have worked for me so far.

I have no evidence to suggest that they are different.

Lets put it this way - why would Startron make all the fuss if Soltron was a different formulation ?

 

[ChromeDome]

That's very good.

I use Ctrl + Shift +S

Think it differs between Windows versions

 

[alahol2]

I have no evidence to suggest that they are different.
Lets put it this way - why would Startron make all the fuss if Soltron was a different formulation ?

Thanks.

 

[dune16]

I use Marine 16. The formula changed apparently a couple of years ago to cope with the increase in the bio-diesel in the fuel.
Thanks to Brexit one now cannot get Marine 16 in Greece and of course it is flammable so I cannot take it out when I fly
I wonder which of the recommendations in this thread are available in Greece or Italy or Croatia????


TS

Ooops, I took some more Marine16 last month when I flew out to the boat in Malta, was in my checked in luggage and a complete oversight on my part. Got through anyway

 

[Refueler]

Think it differs between Windows versions

CTRL + INS
SHIFT + INS

works on all DOS and Win versions ......

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

Last 6 months ??????? Last one I saw was about 2011 and just article repeated about 2016 .....

Any link to this new test comparison ????

Can't find it on casual search of the website. Will consult my archive (pile) of magazines.