What to look for on a 1998 Sealine F410/43.................

[Baseplate]

.............so, we're off to view the subject boat.

Now, having no experience of the marque, I'd be grateful for any observations from seasoned Sealiners, particularly those with knowledge of the F43.

As it is, I'm a touch confused as, until I pinged it on a broker's site, I had no idea that a 410/43 crossover existed.

The power packs are VP63p 370s:however, the hours used is given as 'ca 300'. This tells me that, if such is correct, then they have been under used, though the broker contact assures me that there was a full service about 10 hours previously.

...............Anyhoo, over to the forum, if you please!


Mike

 

[Divemaster1]

17 year old boat, 300 hrs on engines = approx 17 hours per year ... so engines was serviced last year ??

The 63 series was pretty solid, but at such low hours there is a chance that certain parts will have suffered from under-use. Check fuel supply pipes, water supply etc., as well as the valves on through hull fittings... and tanks for corrosion..
Other things to look for would be electrical items, (pumps, wipers, fridge etc.) which will be getting on a bit... plus any electronics (SatNav) etc., may well function, but may be difficult to get repaired in case of failure..

Cannot comment on the Sealine itself...

 

[Whitelighter]

.............so, we're off to view the subject boat.

Now, having no experience of the marque, I'd be grateful for any observations from seasoned Sealiners, particularly those with knowledge of the F43.

As it is, I'm a touch confused as, until I pinged it on a broker's site, I had no idea that a 410/43 crossover existed.

The power packs are VP63p 370s:however, the hours used is given as 'ca 300'. This tells me that, if such is correct, then they have been under used, though the broker contact assures me that there was a full service about 10 hours previously.

...............Anyhoo, over to the forum, if you please!


Mike

There was a bit of cross over, though I suspect that it is actually a 410. Lots of 410s advertised as either F43 or 410/F43 so they capture the people who put F43 in the search box.

Look on the builders certificate - it will state what it is. In reality there is not much difference between a late 410 and an F43 but it does affect value a little bit. Quite a few 410s have had the F43 badges put on as well. Only way to really know is the Builders Cert or the HIN.

300 hours is so low id be concerned about annual MX being completed. It needs to be thoroughly checked.

Where is the boat? If its UK then there may be people on here who know it.

If it is on with boatshed and has a 'unique' yellow leather interior PM me.

 

[Baseplate]

17 year old boat, 300 hrs on engines = approx 17 hours per year ... so engines was serviced last year ??

The 63 series was pretty solid, but at such low hours there is a chance that certain parts will have suffered from under-use. Check fuel supply pipes, water supply etc., as well as the valves on through hull fittings... and tanks for corrosion..
Other things to look for would be electrical items, (pumps, wipers, fridge etc.) which will be getting on a bit... plus any electronics (SatNav) etc., may well function, but may be difficult to get repaired in case of failure..

Cannot comment on the Sealine itself...

Given an average usage, it sounds as thought the power packs were serviced either back end of last year or early this year. And my main concern is under use, not just for the engines, but associated seals, bushes, etc. Many thanks for your observations, Alf.

 

[Baseplate]

There was a bit of cross over, though I suspect that it is actually a 410. Lots of 410s advertised as either F43 or 410/F43 so they capture the people who put F43 in the search box.

Look on the builders certificate - it will state what it is. In reality there is not much difference between a late 410 and an F43 but it does affect value a little bit. Quite a few 410s have had the F43 badges put on as well. Only way to really know is the Builders Cert or the HIN.

300 hours is so low id be concerned about annual MX being completed. It needs to be thoroughly checked.

Where is the boat? If its UK then there may be people on here who know it.

If it is on with boatshed and has a 'unique' yellow leather interior PM me.

I'm finding that out: this and another boat are both being tagged as 'late 410s, as they merged into 43s'.

Errm, no: Sealine themselves say that there never was a hybrid 410/43.

The boat is currently lying at Cardiff: http://www.networkyachtbrokers.co.uk/boats_for_sale/Sealine_F43___410_Flybridge_Cruiser-05552.html/ - it's been around various websites for a while and the asking price has gradually dropped.

..................and, yes, I've seen the one with the.....................errm..................mustard (?) interior!

 

[kashurst]

We had one for 6 years. Great boat, no particular foibles. The stern glands can be hard to get at if you are tall\big as its a squeeze. As per previous its 17 years old so there are bound to be a few gremlins crept in..with such low engine hours check inside the fuel tanks. Make sure diesel hasn,t gone to jelly in the bottom.you need to take out the fuel sender under the sofas.

 

[superheat6k]

We have a 410 but it is actually the F43 spec in everything but name. 410s have shorter bathing platform and plastics interior whereas the f43 or ones like mine have wood facia doors and cabinets and the longer platform. I am thinking of selling and have someone coming over to have a look soon. PM me if you might be interested unless you are Mike (!) from the Sealine forum in which case I'll see you soon!!
Rob

Sorry to hear your selling Rob - is there something catching on your pontoon - VPs got his wake maker up for sale too. Can I have your berth when you go as Anthony has squeezed me in inside the hammerhead at the moment which is a tw@t to get back into.

 

[thejonesey]

Rewriting my post now I realise that it is the chap I have been speaking too! The last 410s were F43 spec in everything but name. The key differences are fit out (more wood and wood facia) and an extended bathing platform. it confused me too.

Sorry Terry but I am planning to go bigger if we sell. F46 or P45 as we want 3 cabins. I haven't even told Ant yet!

 

[Baseplate]

Rewriting my post now I realise that it is the chap I have been speaking too! The last 410s were F43 spec in everything but name. The key differences are fit out (more wood and wood facia) and an extended bathing platform. it confused me too.

Sorry Terry but I am planning to go bigger if we sell. F46 or P45 as we want 3 cabins. I haven't even told Ant yet!

Evening, Rob-yes, it is I *grins*

Having returned from the viewing, it is probable that yours and this one are sister craft: both have the extended platforms, cherry wood interiors, etc.

I've asked my questions and await feedback from the broker. Internally, it's not in bad shape, though I have to say previous owners have woefully ignored the exterior. Further, the fly has been left fully exposed for some time: other than the seat and wheel covers, the instruments have been left to the elements. Sad, as it's a good looking boat.

 

[volvopaul]

Rewriting my post now I realise that it is the chap I have been speaking too! The last 410s were F43 spec in everything but name. The key differences are fit out (more wood and wood facia) and an extended bathing platform. it confused me.

Sorry Terry but I am planning to go bigger if we sell. F46 or P45 as we want 3 cabins. I haven't even told Ant yet!

According to form Simon is coming back with a squadron 52 I've no idea where it will fit!!!

 

[volvopaul]

Sorry to hear your selling Rob - is there something catching on your pontoon - VPs got his wake maker up for sale too. Can I have your berth when you go as Anthony has squeezed me in inside the hammerhead at the moment which is a tw@t to get back into.

After last weeks offer I think I'm keeping the wave maker!!

 

[KINGFISHER 9]

.......... an overdraft.

 

[Whitelighter]

Rewriting my post now I realise that it is the chap I have been speaking too! The last 410s were F43 spec in everything but name. The key differences are fit out (more wood and wood facia) and an extended bathing platform. it confused me too.

Sorry Terry but I am planning to go bigger if we sell. F46 or P45 as we want 3 cabins. I haven't even told Ant yet!

Wood trim was a cost option on the 410 - so just because it has wood rather than the grey laminate does not make it a 43.

It's true that the 43 then adopted the option as standard trim.

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I'm finding that out: this and another boat are both being tagged as 'late 410s, as they merged into 43s'.

Yup I had one. The first owner of my boat must have got pissed off having ordered a 410 and finding out that the F43 was on the way because he got Sealine to badge it F43 when it wasn't. Not a huge amount of difference anyway just a larger bathing platform. The 390/410/F43 was one of Sealine's best selling boats offering as it did a huge amount of accommodation in a 40ft hull and the hull itself was one of Sealine's best in terms of seakeeping. I felt that the 63Ps suited the 410/F43 very well with plenty of torque to push the boat upto 30kts

There were 3 downsides for me on the 410/F43. First was the very tight access to the aft cabin and the lack of headroom once you were down there but I suppose that was a price worth paying for the very clever aft cabin/aft cockpit design which Sealine came up with. Second was that the cockpit, whilst it was easy to get around with all those steps, wasn't that safe for small kids because there were no high guardrails. Third was the anchor which from memory was a 10kg Delta and not big enough for a boat of this size and windage. The problem was that the Sealine 'beak' wouldn't allow the anchor size to be increased

However overall an excellent boat

For the same kind of money you ought to be looking at this one too which was recently posted on this forum in another thread

http://www.boats.co.uk/boats-for-sale/princess-440-1319

 

[Who]

The 410 in Cardiff is slightly unusual.

The bathing platform has been extended. The boat must be an early 97 as later that year they produced them with the extended platform as standard.

Engines are really good. I can still get 29 knots and at cruising speed of around 22knts 1mpg.

Check the engines around that time for oil pipe crimpings failing. There was a recal from Volvo but not all engines were tracked down. It's an easy fix. Only 2 external pipes per engine.

It's a huge boat with a cavernous with interior. Main advantage is you sleep at the back so no water slapping on the hull all night long.

Mine is a 410 but the same spec as the first year of the F43.

 

[ian38_39]

There must have been a huge amount of sales for the 410 in late 1997 as I have one from November 1997, I am now aware of at least 5 that were produced and sold in the late part of 1997. If I can find 5 of them I wonder how many they were turning out a month?

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

There must have been a huge amount of sales for the 410 in late 1997 as I have one from November 1997, I am now aware of at least 5 that were produced and sold in the late part of 1997. If I can find 5 of them I wonder how many they were turning out a month?

Given that at one time I believe Sealine were churning out more than 200 boats a year and that the 410/F43 was one of their most popular models, it wouldn't surprise me if they were making say 25no 410/F43 boats per year plus of course they must have been producing a similiar number of 420/F44 units as well. Just a guess but say 2 per month?

 

[Jurgen]

We were going to look at this boat but the broker didn't get back to us.

The pictures look pretty good and 10k should see you right to replace all of the electronics and most of the exterior upholstery.

We have a 2006 F43 and there are very few differences, more wood and wooden door frames etc but not a lot had changed.

Just noticed the Hurley Davits and Tender Crane, looking at over 2K to fit them so nice bonus .

As others have said a bag full of receipts is always nice and of course the sea trials, if you do go ahead make sure you take an experienced engineer on the sea trial, we did and he spotted a few things that I would have missed.

Either way good luck with your search, the Sealine 410/43 are great boats and we love ours.

 

[Baseplate]

We were going to look at this boat but the broker didn't get back to us.

The pictures look pretty good and 10k should see you right to replace all of the electronics and most of the exterior upholstery.

We have a 2006 F43 and there are very few differences, more wood and wooden door frames etc but not a lot had changed.

Just noticed the Hurley Davits and Tender Crane, looking at over 2K to fit them so nice bonus .

As others have said a bag full of receipts is always nice and of course the sea trials, if you do go ahead make sure you take an experienced engineer on the sea trial, we did and he spotted a few things that I would have missed.

Either way good luck with your search, the Sealine 410/43 are great boats and we love ours.

................well, the thing is, Jurgen, the bag full of receipts and some documented history seem to have been delayed in the post, as I've had no response from the broker. And a little bit of research would seem to suggest that the boat in question has been around the dealers for some months: indeed, one still lists it at £125 000.

Still, onward and upward: Woman is determined that she WILL enjoy a F410/43 and we have a couple more to view in the next two weeks.

BTW, an all-encompassing 'thank you' to those who have generously replied and/or PM'd responses, many raising points and observations that I hadn't even considered.

Mike

 

[dj43]

We were going to look at this boat but the broker didn't get back to us.

The pictures look pretty good and 10k should see you right to replace all of the electronics and most of the exterior upholstery.


Had to smile at this bit, as having refitted a similar boat all be it to a very high standard , leather internally and good quality fabric externally
New covers + nav gear you would need to double that figure and add some , but maybe we are more particular than others

Have to agree with comments so far they were are a very good craft,