zoidberg
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I understand the very finely balanced judgements that a professional product-tester routinely makes, but 'half a loaf is better than no bread'.... and those things are a damn sight better than nothing.
What if Everyone Wore a Mask?
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I understand the very finely balanced judgements that a professional product-tester routinely makes, but 'half a loaf is better than no bread'.... and those things are a damn sight better than nothing.
rotrax
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You obviously dont wear glasses and a mask at the same time or you would know.
Basically, the warm outgoing breath, from the nose or mouth, hits the mask, most simple ones seem to fit the lower face better than the upper face, travels upwards and contacts the inner surface of the spectacles where it condenses.
Had it in Wellington earlier this year when using a sander to prepare for painting.
BrendanS
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crap masks then, if your glasses are fogging, your mask isn't working properly, and you shouldn't be using them for coronavirus. Proabably not biological FFP masks. I've used masks in biological containment facilities, and that should not happen. You need to do a fit test. I wear glasses.
lw395
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Most of the masks on the market are 'crap masks'.
I've got a few different sorts, I new to do some work in the loft and will be wearing a mask because of the insulation.
The only sort I like are those with a valve to let the moist air out......
rotrax
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I have forgotten more about avoiding fogging visors, goggles and masks than you have ever known after my long motorcycle racing career. I always needed to see where I was going!
The average joe trying to get a few masks is unlikely to get biological containment masks, just the sort with a paper or fabric mask and a bit of elastic.
I had access to serious masks in the emergency room when I worked for a bio-science company on the Abingdon Science Park.
Now wear a crap mask and breathe a bit heavy, like you do holding and pushing a power tool. Unless you have treated your specs, they will be very likely to mist up.
Which, as you well know, is what we were talking about. I never mentioned corona virus in my post #62, replying to Sharky 34.
BrendanS
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it doesn't matter, if you've done a mask fit test, it won't fog up glasses. I've spent thousands of hours wearing masks, and if they fog up glasses, they aren't working, the air is getting in around the outside and are not working to keep anything out
ryanroberts
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The Czechs had a bit of emergent mobilisation and made their own at home
lw395
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Testing only tells you it doesn't fit. Making it fit is a different problem.
My brother in law has some involvement with spraying cars. He will tell you the best thing for keeping stuff out of your mask is a positive pressure air supply.
Most other masks are really just playing at it.
The idea that everyone in Europe is going to magically be equipped with an ongoing supply of effective masks which actually fit is a bit Trump really.
eilerts
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The fogging up of glasses when using a mask shows a key weakness of paper masks, it is very hard to get a close fit to the face especially around the nose. Most of those who are not using glasses don't even know about it. I use mask daily in my work, but have little problem with fogging, once the mask is properly formed. Not few of those that get fogging actually just draw the mask halfway down on the chin to to avoid fogging. Then it is absolutely no use.
Then there is the effect that people that feel protected, tend to get less serious with other safety advices. This could easily be observed with Volvo driver when Volvo was a step ahead. (this last statement I probably will regret, but I enjoyed writing it)
Then, what would it help if the government said you must wear a mask? There is hardly one available even without this advice. Hospitals and doctors are fighting for the last reserves. It would simply be irresponsible for the government to tell folks to stock up protection gear. It would simply put hospitals in greater trouble and put stress on those who were too late to empty the store.
Then there is the effect that people that feel protected, tend to get less serious with other safety advices. This could easily be observed with Volvo driver when Volvo was a step ahead. (this last statement I probably will regret, but I enjoyed writing it)
Then, what would it help if the government said you must wear a mask? There is hardly one available even without this advice. Hospitals and doctors are fighting for the last reserves. It would simply be irresponsible for the government to tell folks to stock up protection gear. It would simply put hospitals in greater trouble and put stress on those who were too late to empty the store.
Daydream believer
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BrendanS
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sorry but no way John Hopkins sent this out. The virus is NOT a protein molecule, and it is NOT DNA, it is RNA
Please don't propagate when you clearly have no idea what is real and what is fake
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Stemar
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OK, It didn't come from where is says, so a fake, but are there any major inaccuracies in the advice?
eilerts
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When I first read the post I missed the obvious error at the top, but several of the the statements has stange order of word. At the end this comes:
* You must HUMIDIFY DRY HANDS, for example wash them a lot, because molecules can hide in micro wrinkles or cuts. The denser the moisturizer, the better.
It is a bit confusing, you perhaps "humidify" your hands by washing them a lot, but certainly not moisturizing them. This trigged me to look for the original summary.
There was absolutely no hit on pages related JHU. I found several version were words were changed to "make more sense". Based on other versions found I think the original advice was "humidify hands, that are dry from all the washing of them". That makes more sense.
I also found a fact checking page that claimed to see 4 myths about corona in the text, however the quality of their work was extremely low. The claimed that the advice about bleach was wrong and even harmful, but implied that the advice was about drinking or washing mouth with bleach.
They said that Listerine is not 65%, but below 27%, so that one is clearly wrong, but not in a dangerous way.
So, to my opinion (based on life and not least, boat work) most of the advices are good (if you don't read them like a bible or how Old Eric would read the same).
My biggest issue with is that it claims to be from JHU, when it is not.
* You must HUMIDIFY DRY HANDS, for example wash them a lot, because molecules can hide in micro wrinkles or cuts. The denser the moisturizer, the better.
It is a bit confusing, you perhaps "humidify" your hands by washing them a lot, but certainly not moisturizing them. This trigged me to look for the original summary.
There was absolutely no hit on pages related JHU. I found several version were words were changed to "make more sense". Based on other versions found I think the original advice was "humidify hands, that are dry from all the washing of them". That makes more sense.
I also found a fact checking page that claimed to see 4 myths about corona in the text, however the quality of their work was extremely low. The claimed that the advice about bleach was wrong and even harmful, but implied that the advice was about drinking or washing mouth with bleach.
They said that Listerine is not 65%, but below 27%, so that one is clearly wrong, but not in a dangerous way.
So, to my opinion (based on life and not least, boat work) most of the advices are good (if you don't read them like a bible or how Old Eric would read the same).
My biggest issue with is that it claims to be from JHU, when it is not.
