Westerly Pageant query

[jamie N]

Do watch out for the engines though, my colleague Dennis Warren's Pageant number 1 ' L Gee ' named after designer Laurent Giles was on her FOURTH BMW engine the last I heard, these alloy jobs suffered serious corrosion.

A bit of a long shot, but would you know if the BMW engine's were D7's? If so, it's bad news for me, as they're the rebadged version of my Renault RC8D!!
First thing in the morning, I'm out to check it!

 

[Seajet]

Jamie N,

an owner of one of the rare inboard engined Anderson 22's went through the same number of BMW engines ( they varied between makes ) , I'll try to put you in touch if you like, please PM me.

Andy

 

[jamie N]

Jamie N,

an owner of one of the rare inboard engined Anderson 22's went through the same number of BMW engines ( they varied between makes ) , I'll try to put you in touch if you like, please PM me.

Andy

PM sent.

 

[langstonelayabout]

The Pageant is still a very good capable cruiser, and a real bargain in today's market.

Do watch out for the engines though, my colleague Dennis Warren's Pageant number 1 ' L Gee ' named after designer Laurent Giles was on her FOURTH BMW engine the last I heard, these alloy jobs suffered serious corrosion.

I think most of them had Volvo engines, not great as they were raw water cooled but better lasting than the BMW's.

I'm sure Mark got the message; I remember going aboard L Gee to see the nice new engine. Bright red it was. I can't remember what make it was but based upon the fact it was as red as the Beta 20 on my boat, could he have had a Beta fitted at the end?

I'm sure he kept it for a season or two after that before he sold it. The end of an era really. :-(

 

[Phil Drew]

My Pageant

Zara is now 41 years old and still going strong.
She was re-engined with a Yanmar 1GM10 about 5 years ago and probably her greatest asset (along with in mast mainsail furling, which is fantastic for relative novices such as myself and the good lady)
Always draws admiring glances when the hull is buffed up (still extremely shiny) and the bilge keels have been reinforced and rebedded within the last 8 years, so no nasties there.
The interior has stood up really well in the last 40 years, there is no sign of osmosis anywhere and has had the headlining completely replaced.Even has the luxury of an electric toilet and a holding tank!! How many 23 footers can boast that?
We absolutely love her, the only downside is the boat can handle pretty much any weather thrown at her, its the owners who chicken out!!
If its a boat for just 2 of you, then perfect accomadation, may even be OK for 2 small adults and 2 small kids, but a 5 berth she is not (unless you are really friendly!!)
If you are near the South coast, PM me and you can come and have a sail on her.

Hi,just saw this post from years ago. Do you mind if I ask where you located the holding tank please.
We love our Pageant. Thanks Phil

 

[mickywillis]

Hi,just saw this post from years ago. Do you mind if I ask where you located the holding tank please.
We love our Pageant. Thanks Phil

Phil, Thats a long time ago, been without Zara now for 10 years!
The holding tank was fitted underneath the starboard side forward berth, right next to the heads compartment. Previous owners had fitted it, used one of the black coloured grey water waste tanks stood upright. If I can find photos, I'll post them.

 

[Phil Drew]

My Pageant

Zara is now 41 years old and still going strong.
She was re-engined with a Yanmar 1GM10 about 5 years ago and probably her greatest asset (along with in mast mainsail furling, which is fantastic for relative novices such as myself and the good lady)
Always draws admiring glances when the hull is buffed up (still extremely shiny) and the bilge keels have been reinforced and rebedded within the last 8 years, so no nasties there.
The interior has stood up really well in the last 40 years, there is no sign of osmosis anywhere and has had the headlining completely replaced.Even has the luxury of an electric toilet and a holding tank!! How many 23 footers can boast that?
We absolutely love her, the only downside is the boat can handle pretty much any weather thrown at her, its the owners who chicken out!!
If its a boat for just 2 of you, then perfect accomadation, may even be OK for 2 small adults and 2 small kids, but a 5 berth she is not (unless you are really friendly!!)
If you are near the South coast, PM me and you can come and have a sail on her.

Thanks for replying. Sad that you no longer have Zara. Would appreciate any pictures. I assume you meant the fwd stbd berth where the heads seacocks are? Best regards Phil

 

[C08]

The one thing I would look at closely is the twin keels. There were two Pageants in a club I was in at N Wales and they both had cracking issues between the keels. There was also at that time a very sad owners of a Westerly 33 that had dried out by my mooring as he was concerned about a hull leak that was also between the keels. As I understand it the keels are quite splayed and any bouncing when drying out can overstress the keel base structure. There was also the owner of a new 29ft Westerly who would not under any circumstance dry out anywhere with a sandy or hard bottom so the issue was quite well known.
Apart from that reservation I think both the Pageant and Centaur are very good starter boats that generally are well constructed and will look after you at sea.

 

[mickywillis]

Thanks for replying. Sad that you no longer have Zara. Would appreciate any pictures. I assume you meant the fwd stbd berth where the heads seacocks are? Best regards Phil

Alas, no photos of the holding tank fitting and location, only of the electric toilet itself! Previous owner had fitted the tank, unfortunately not an area I took photos of when selling Zara!

 

[12 Year Plan B-)]

My beautiful fin keel 1980 Westerly 33 Ketch is for sale. Well equipped for extended offshore cruising but in need of TLC i.e. a good scrubbing...inside and out!

 

[ducked]

The one thing I would look at closely is the twin keels. There were two Pageants in a club I was in at N Wales and they both had cracking issues between the keels. There was also at that time a very sad owners of a Westerly 33 that had dried out by my mooring as he was concerned about a hull leak that was also between the keels. As I understand it the keels are quite splayed and any bouncing when drying out can overstress the keel base structure. There was also the owner of a new 29ft Westerly who would not under any circumstance dry out anywhere with a sandy or hard bottom so the issue was quite well known.
Apart from that reservation I think both the Pageant and Centaur are very good starter boats that generally are well constructed and ring will look after you at sea.

In contrast to the above, when talking of The Pageant That Got Away (because I dithered), at a nearby club, it was suggested that the problem was usually on deep mud, because of the lift-off suction, but "That one would have been fine, because its a hard bottom at Crammond"

In fact the keels on this particular boat were stated to have been re-done, so not conclusive, but, whatever the exact mechanism, there was a known frequent issue with the keels.