Halo
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I am looking at buying a Westerly 33. The headlining and upholstery are not to the standards required by SWMBO. Any idea of the cost of a new set of cushions and headlining ?
Thanks
Martin
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Martin
Westerly: New Headlining and upholstery
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VicS
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I f no one comes up w ith some figures I suggest you contact Hawke House ltd in Gosport
http://www.hawkehouse.co.uk/
But be sitting down!
http://www.hawkehouse.co.uk/
But be sitting down!
Matt341
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It depends really if you are prepared to do a certain amount yourself or if you would rather it done for you.
The previous owner of our Konsort had the bow cabin re headlined by a local yacht trimming company and the invoice was around £2,000 incl labour. This sounds a lot to me just for the bow cabin so I dont know whether there are better deals around but this is just an example.
The seating in the saloon, aft cabin & bow cabin were all replaced, comfort foam put in the bow cabin and aft cabin cushions and hard wearing foam in the saloon with anti sweat material on the bow cabin cushions, including new covers and labour I think the total was around £4000, it may even have been more.
I know on our previous boat we had a quote for the bow cabin headlining because the foam had broken down and for the people to clean off the old stuff and re headline was nearly £4,000 in labour and materials, mainly due to the amount of labour needed to remove all the old headlining and foam.
We bought our Konsort at the end of the summer and we are really pleased with her. Westerly made a fine yacht and its a shame that they are no longer in production.
I have recently put new pipework in place for the hot water system and it involved drilling through a few wood partitions under the seats. The thickness of the wood was unbeliveable.
Hope this helps
Ian
The previous owner of our Konsort had the bow cabin re headlined by a local yacht trimming company and the invoice was around £2,000 incl labour. This sounds a lot to me just for the bow cabin so I dont know whether there are better deals around but this is just an example.
The seating in the saloon, aft cabin & bow cabin were all replaced, comfort foam put in the bow cabin and aft cabin cushions and hard wearing foam in the saloon with anti sweat material on the bow cabin cushions, including new covers and labour I think the total was around £4000, it may even have been more.
I know on our previous boat we had a quote for the bow cabin headlining because the foam had broken down and for the people to clean off the old stuff and re headline was nearly £4,000 in labour and materials, mainly due to the amount of labour needed to remove all the old headlining and foam.
We bought our Konsort at the end of the summer and we are really pleased with her. Westerly made a fine yacht and its a shame that they are no longer in production.
I have recently put new pipework in place for the hot water system and it involved drilling through a few wood partitions under the seats. The thickness of the wood was unbeliveable.
Hope this helps
Ian
Ubergeekian
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A new headlining kit from Hawke House for my 21' Jouster cost (iirc) around £200 a few years back. At a guess, double that for the 33. And if you possibly can, even if it involves working night shifts in your local filling station or KFC, pay someone to fit it. It is a horrible, horrible job.
Cspirit
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Headlinings
I've had headlinigs fitted in a Westerly Renown, and a 33 and I'm now looking at doing the same in our current boat, a Corsair. The quote for the Corsair aft cabin was around £2,000, so I'm going to do it myself. I know from experience that it's not a particularly pleasant job, but once the old stuff is down (this is the nastiest bit of the process) you just have to be patient and careful, and do one bit at a time. If you can use ply panels overhead, this makes it easier. However, if you are loadsamoney, I agree with the previous poster. Get someone else to do it.
I've had headlinigs fitted in a Westerly Renown, and a 33 and I'm now looking at doing the same in our current boat, a Corsair. The quote for the Corsair aft cabin was around £2,000, so I'm going to do it myself. I know from experience that it's not a particularly pleasant job, but once the old stuff is down (this is the nastiest bit of the process) you just have to be patient and careful, and do one bit at a time. If you can use ply panels overhead, this makes it easier. However, if you are loadsamoney, I agree with the previous poster. Get someone else to do it.
Ubergeekian
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I had no problems getting the old stuff down, oh dear me, quite the reverse. Then, though, there was remaining the powdery remains of foam left on the fibreglass - that, as I a sure you found, is Jolly Unpleasant.
The worst bit of the whole thing was putting the piece for the main cabin in place. Spraying 6' x 4' of a 6' x 8' blanket with Very Sticky Stuff, crawling under it and lifting it into place with hands and feet was, erm, acrobatic fun.
It would have been much, much easier - seriously - with the boat upside down, but although that might be feasible it would probably cost more to arrange than paying a fitter.
Incidentally, if I was doing it again I would do all the the removal myself: that's just nasty and needs no skill. It's the replacement I'd pay for, since it requires knowledge as well.
Rafiki
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When we bought Onia which is Westerly Fulmar we had both jobs done professionally. The upholstery was £2k and the headlinng was £3k.
In the case of the headlining I had taken off most of the fittings and taken the windows out to be re-glazed. I never met Roger Nantais who did the headlining, I simply gave him the keys and he did the job to a super standard to the agreed price on the date agreed. He advertises in PBO.
Needless to say these two jobs (plus re-varnishing all interior woodwork - rubbing down to bare wood and then 5 coats) transformed theinterior of the boat from what appeared to be 22 yo to what appeared to be 2 yo (the cooker let it down , but I've since replaced that)
My own view for what it's worth is that the cost of big jobs like this (and all the others) is never fully reflected in the price. I was lucky in buying mine at agood price in NL at 1.5 to 1.
Regards
In the case of the headlining I had taken off most of the fittings and taken the windows out to be re-glazed. I never met Roger Nantais who did the headlining, I simply gave him the keys and he did the job to a super standard to the agreed price on the date agreed. He advertises in PBO.
Needless to say these two jobs (plus re-varnishing all interior woodwork - rubbing down to bare wood and then 5 coats) transformed theinterior of the boat from what appeared to be 22 yo to what appeared to be 2 yo (the cooker let it down , but I've since replaced that)
My own view for what it's worth is that the cost of big jobs like this (and all the others) is never fully reflected in the price. I was lucky in buying mine at agood price in NL at 1.5 to 1.
Regards
paulrae
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The headlining on my 37-footer (Westerly Regatta) was in the region of £4k. That was for absolutely everything stripped out and replaced. It looks so much better.
Bilgediver
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Yes they did make great boats and many had secondary bouyancy to reduce or delay disaster in the case of hull penetration. This is easily destroyed by drilling holes in the side lockers
I would suggest that at least you seal the holes around the pipes. I have seen these lockers fill when keel bolts have failed but they do not overflow. However drilling holes low down is not a good idea if you venture far out
Chris_Robb
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What varnish did you use? presumably an eggshell.... We have to start doing our Oceanlord soon, parts are very good so we will slowly work through. Headlings - most are on sheets of ply, but underneath the decks and things have got to be done...... not looking forward to it, but by no means as horrid as doing a larges one pece bit in a saloon!
Coaster
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We have just had all cushions and the aft cabin matress replaced on our Seahawk at a cost of £3000. The cost would have been less using cheaper fabric and poorer foam etc. but we wanted durability, water resistance and an attractive appearance.
Luckily we don't need to replace headlings as the original ash-faced ply main deckheads are in good order.
The horrible vinyl locker etc. linings are being gradually stripped out, the grp hull sides and ply bulkheads cleaned up, and white danboline applied. I think the result looks attractive, should be easy to clean or repaint if necessary, and we've had no condensation problem.
When specifying cushions think carefully about the thicknesses, and the shape of backs, to give decent lumbar support. The original backs were hopeless.
Luckily we don't need to replace headlings as the original ash-faced ply main deckheads are in good order.
The horrible vinyl locker etc. linings are being gradually stripped out, the grp hull sides and ply bulkheads cleaned up, and white danboline applied. I think the result looks attractive, should be easy to clean or repaint if necessary, and we've had no condensation problem.
When specifying cushions think carefully about the thicknesses, and the shape of backs, to give decent lumbar support. The original backs were hopeless.
Searush
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Get quotes for several grand (that's what it will cost for professional refurbishment) so you can get the price down - and then use battens from B&Q as in the pics below to hold the saggy lining up. I did my Pentland 3 years ago as a temporary solution. The result was good enough that I will not be doing anything further for the forseeeable future. Cost? About 10squid plus an afternoon's enjoyable fiddling. In most cases, cut to the correct length the battens will clip behind the curtain rails. Small 1/2" self tappers solve the problem areas. In the aft cabin, I lined the walls with bathroom carpet off cuts - watch out for any glue solvents - they can kill, by asphyxiation, poisoning or explosion & fire in confined spaces like a boat.
Matt341
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Yes they did make great boats and many had secondary bouyancy to reduce or delay disaster in the case of hull penetration. This is easily destroyed by drilling holes in the side lockers
I would suggest that at least you seal the holes around the pipes. I have seen these lockers fill when keel bolts have failed but they do not overflow. However drilling holes low down is not a good idea if you venture far out
I didnt want to drill anymore holes to be honest but had no choice, when looking for Konsorts we viewed a few that had hot water already fitted, a few had been drilled through the Hull supports/ribs in the bottom of the bilge, right from the bow back to the galley. I didnt really want to do this as it could weaken the structure of the boat.
When routing the pipes I followed the bilge pump pipework through the starboard locker, the outer casing hasnt been drilled but the inner partitions were drilled through, I just made the holes bigger and after fitting the pipe I did seal the holes, mainly to prevent the pipes from tapping when pressurised.
On our previous boat there weren't any partitions in the storage lockers so this is another example of excellent westerly build.
Ian.
V1701
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If you don't want to spend thousands...
The previous owner of my Jeanneau Sundream 28 and myself are using the same solution as Searush for lining both fore and aft cabins where the vinyl itself is tatty and grubby & the foam backing gone to powder. Again for the sides we're just glueing the carpet to the fibreglass, for the roof we're glueing the carpet to thin ply & attaching that to battens fixed to the roof for the ply to be screwed on to, which has the advantage of allowing you to run wiring underneath.
The carpet came to £130 & we expect total cost to be less than £100 per cabin. He's done this with two of his previous boats. The very cheap, foam backed carpet is no good to use, I think the best is the stuff with criss cross string on the back. If you didn't want to do the carpet fitting yourself I bet you could get a decent carpet fitter by word of mouth who'd be prepared to do it as can be awkward, for that reason as well use carpet that is quite thin & flexible. Hope that helps...
David.
The previous owner of my Jeanneau Sundream 28 and myself are using the same solution as Searush for lining both fore and aft cabins where the vinyl itself is tatty and grubby & the foam backing gone to powder. Again for the sides we're just glueing the carpet to the fibreglass, for the roof we're glueing the carpet to thin ply & attaching that to battens fixed to the roof for the ply to be screwed on to, which has the advantage of allowing you to run wiring underneath.
The carpet came to £130 & we expect total cost to be less than £100 per cabin. He's done this with two of his previous boats. The very cheap, foam backed carpet is no good to use, I think the best is the stuff with criss cross string on the back. If you didn't want to do the carpet fitting yourself I bet you could get a decent carpet fitter by word of mouth who'd be prepared to do it as can be awkward, for that reason as well use carpet that is quite thin & flexible. Hope that helps...
David.
Searush
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I forgot to mention that if you spend the several grand for professional replacement, the headling will last 10-15 years, same as it did when new. It just ain't woorth it.
ianat182
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I believe Trafalgar Yachts at Fareham have a former Westerly headlining expert contact,and for many thing and pieces Westerly.
I have this job to do on my boat in the very near future, and am expecting the filthy part to be the most straight forward. For the replacement lining I intend to epoxy battens to the coachroof of the cabin and use press studs to secure the centre panel which will have a 3mm ply backing a vinyl material, with a mesh material backing to it, glued using a spray adhesive. Removing the alloy window frames(which are corroding on the inside) I hope to use as patterns for non-metallic formica type materials. Where the cabin sides and the parts which tuck under to the lockers are ,I will use the spray adhesive. Apart from labour time I expect to spend about £150-200 to complete. The price of the new foam for upholstery will have to be debated at length with my boat partner owing to the amount needed, plus good quality covering throughout, about £350-400 with some DIY sewing !! Then new floor covering to complete.
ianat182
I have this job to do on my boat in the very near future, and am expecting the filthy part to be the most straight forward. For the replacement lining I intend to epoxy battens to the coachroof of the cabin and use press studs to secure the centre panel which will have a 3mm ply backing a vinyl material, with a mesh material backing to it, glued using a spray adhesive. Removing the alloy window frames(which are corroding on the inside) I hope to use as patterns for non-metallic formica type materials. Where the cabin sides and the parts which tuck under to the lockers are ,I will use the spray adhesive. Apart from labour time I expect to spend about £150-200 to complete. The price of the new foam for upholstery will have to be debated at length with my boat partner owing to the amount needed, plus good quality covering throughout, about £350-400 with some DIY sewing !! Then new floor covering to complete.
ianat182
maxi77
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We had our saloon upholstery recovered by a comercial upholsterer for a bit under £1000 we reused some of the foam which was in good nick and replaced that which we were unhappy with.
