Westerlies with wells

[dylanwinter]

does anyone here know the Westerly range well enough to know which ones have their engines in a proper well as opposed to hanging off the back and if anyone has first hand experience

just in case I don't find a liberty or minstrel at the right price

Dylan

 

[VicS]

does anyone here know the Westerly range well enough to know which ones have their engines in a proper well as opposed to hanging off the back and if anyone has first hand experience

just in case I don't find a liberty or minstrel at the right price

Dylan

Most have proper inboards.

The original Westerly 22 .. one of the prettiest Westerlys you will find I think had an outboard in a well
The Westerly 25 had an outboard, on a track, that stowed in a locker at the stern. Its difficult to find a suitable 4 stroke for them I believe

Windrush with the same hull, but different superstructure, as the 25 had an inboard

I beleive the Jouster was available with an outboard option but it would have been on a bracket. The only one I know has an inboard

 

[VicS]

There are some potential problems with outboards in wells.

Exhaust fumes trapped by the well can suffocate the engine. The gases from the relief port can be piped overboard but when idling they can still rise into the well from the underwater outlet.

Exhaust fumes escaping from the well into the cockpit can be unpleasant.

If the outboard cannot be lifted or tilted clear of the water when not in use it creates drag when sailing .. although no worse than a sail drive.
Corrosion could be an issue. It would be advisable to check and replace the anode(s) regularly. They are frequently, I suspect, ignored on outboards. An additional anode or two might be worth while.
Fouling of the underwater parts cooling water system would need watching. A single barnacle could just about block the outlet from an outboard water pump.

Water ingress into the gear case could be a problem if it went unnoticed for long.

 

[aquaplane]

Our Windrush had an outboard on a contraption in the stern like the W25 so not all had inboards. It had room for 3X4 gal external tanks in the lockers either side of the engine, 4 tanks if you didn't keep gas bottles in there too I suppose.

Apart from the considerations already discussed in other threads I would think about fuel availability and storage.

My Centaur has a 10Gal tank and I can safely stow my 2x20l cans of diesel too giving a good range.

The Copland can store 33l of petrol in 5 cans including the 2x5l in the anchor locker. Last year cruising from Loch Sween to Fort William and Tobermory I was always wondering about where my next fuel would come from. Marinas and harbours usually have diesel but not petrol. Some places there was no petrol at all, some places I had to walk a mile or two to get any. We were OK when we had the car but it was still a 15mile round trip to get fuel.

 

[NigelBirch]

Nice pictures Vic! Can I use them on the Westerly Wiki?

 

[VicS]

Nice pictures Vic! Can I use them on the Westerly Wiki?

They are just links to pics on the WOA website

 

[Fantasie 19]

Most have proper inboards.

The original Westerly 22 .. one of the prettiest Westerlys you will find I think had an outboard in a well
The Westerly 25 had an outboard, on a track, that stowed in a locker at the stern. Its difficult to find a suitable 4 stroke for them I believe

Windrush with the same hull, but different superstructure, as the 25 had an inboard

I beleive the Jouster was available with an outboard option but it would have been on a bracket. The only one I know has an inboard

Love that 22.. perfick...

 

[VicS]

Love that 22.. perfick...

Could be just the job for Dylan especially as he does not seem to want a decent reliable diesel inboard .

More space and headroom than the Mirror. Proper storage spaces for petrol and a gas bottle.

Gunter rig ( usually) so easy to drop the mast to get under bridges and through culverts etc.

Shallow draught for ditch crawling and triple keels to sit upright when the tide's gone away.

probably sails better than the Mirror, bound to be better than the Mk1 slug

Looks a zillion times nicer than those bathtub like Liberties and Minstrels.

Nomad was the development . Same hull but extended cabin gave more space with a separate heads but powered either by an inboard or outboard on a bracket. Gunter rig no longer an option.

 

[Seajet]

VicS,

It all depends on the design of outboard wells; my Anderson 22 is fine, never had any problems.

I don't get fumes into the cockpit, don't get any problems at all, and have motored across the Channel several times.

I do believe strongly that the outboard should be stowed in the cockpit locker on any decent sail - a fairing plug with drain is then inserted, vastly reducing drag.

I always say to people who are either lazy or have misguidedly bought stupidly heavy engines ( 5hp is optimum, ideally a late 2 stroke for lightness ) that sailing around with the engine in all the time is like flying a Spitfire with the wheels down !

With a well the prop is in front of the rudder giving great manouverability, the throttle & gearshift are to hand so one doesn't need to face aft when coming into marinas etc, and the engine can be worked on safely without losing tools or crew over the stern.

It also looks a hell of a lot better than an engine stuck on a transom bracket, is more secure against thieves or damage for overnight stops if not stowed, puts the weight in a better place away from the end and the engine isn't in danger of the controls or the whole thing being removed by lines when rafted on a wall.

 

[VicS]

It all depends on the design of outboard wells;

Yes and I dont think the Westerly 22 outboard well is quite what you understand by a well.

I was a bit puzzled because there was one in the yard a few years ago and I though I could remember it having an outboard on the transom.

I think this picture shows the arrangement

http://www.apolloduck.com.mt/image_bin/143584_3.jpg

I reckon you'd need remote controls and of course it's behind the rudder.
At least it's not on a bracket.

I reckon the one in the picture I posted previously must have an inboard but quite where the prop is I don't know. In an aperture between skeg and rudder or to one side ??