Ubergeekian
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Thirty one years in the navy, too, so you'd think he'd have heard of the IRPCS.
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Thirty one years in the navy, too, so you'd think he'd have heard of the IRPCS.
lw395
Well-known member
Interesting that no LNTM's have been issued by either QHM or ABP for the racing of these yachts which starts today.
Very surprising, considering that Southsea Rowing Regatta gets one!
If you look at the SI's for the event, it's quite clear that the racing yachts are subject to colregs and byelaws like anyone else.
Shame I've missed it so far.
Resolution
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Keen Ed: You're not allowed to say that here.
Ah!! So that's where I have been going wrong.
Tomorrow I will sell the Swan, give the Oyster to one of my ex wives, burn all burgees and blue ensigns.
Which sailing club is recommended for re-training?
T-I-C
Ah!! So that's where I have been going wrong.
Tomorrow I will sell the Swan, give the Oyster to one of my ex wives, burn all burgees and blue ensigns.
Which sailing club is recommended for re-training?
T-I-C
gandy
Active member
Couple of years ago we had the misfortune to be travelling from Dufftown to Alford at the same time as a load of classic HGVs (mostly military) were having a race in the opposite direction. Very unpleasant it was too. It was very clear that these drivers expected everyone to get out of there way, and used the speed and size of their vehicles to intimidate other road users. It gave me a taste of what sailing in the Solent must be like.
AndrewN
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colingr
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Cowes NTM - That all sounds very fair.
lw395
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Not much advance warning was there?
Was the LNTM a reaction to this thread? It was not there the other night!
Simon_and_Tanja
Member
You choose to sail in the Wight ditch!
... and when the proles a) knew their place b) couldn't afford pathetic little yachts and c) doffed their caps and moved out of the way
I'm sure there's no snobbery involved - if I was organising a bit of match racing with my mates I'd ask the RYS to host it too.
... and when the proles a) knew their place b) couldn't afford pathetic little yachts and c) doffed their caps and moved out of the way
I'm sure there's no snobbery involved - if I was organising a bit of match racing with my mates I'd ask the RYS to host it too.
Stemar
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Now why couldn't the RYS have put it like that? Of course I'll keep out of their way.
As a fully paid-up member of Mud-dweller SC, the original form of words had me plotting my starboard tack course across their bows (from at least 10 minutes away, so they've got time to tack, and with the old cannon used to start the MDSC MAB Cup races on the foredeck to deal with the RIBS)
Lakesailor
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Absolutely.
That was the point of my OP.
The RYS could have been as diplomatic as that, instead they chose the "You Oiks can damn well stay out of our way" message.
I can't think anyone would obstruct the yachts purposefully, and can see that many water users will not have read the NTM, but if the RYS escort RIBs actually do start scooting about using the "give-a-man-a-uniform" tactics there will be a lot of wasted time and breath in the ensuing arguing.
DownWest
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There will likely be many out there that don't comprehend the problems and need to be herded off. I watched this happen in the reversed sense when a 35ft yacht powered through a sail and oar fleet and was told to leave the area until the event was over, at the same time a large square rigger was trying to maneuver with a couple of ribs telling everybody where to go (politely). Seems like the quoted one needs to realise one's words might be taken in a different light.
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I was in the S&O lot. Front seat for the ribs comments.
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I was in the S&O lot. Front seat for the ribs comments.
Ubergeekian
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By what authority "herded", pray? I can't find that concept in IRPCS.
AndrewN
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Westward Cup
There is no authority. IRPCS and Racing Rules apply(other racing fleets) people will be advised of a 160' boat that cannot tack/gybe quite as quickly as some may think.In a F4 two of them will be doing 14+Knots. The Rib's are there to actually pick crew out of the water as they have no guard rails. Yes, they(the Rib's) will be charging about at the start, 10:30 Friday, poss. 09:30 Saturday to advise so that nobody is put in danger. They are a magnificant sight as proved by all the boats which want to take photo's of them as they go past. This type of event does not happen very often. In some instances they will be constrained by draught as I am sure all of the Solent sailors will understand, work out and know when! VHF M2 Safety fleet, 77 Competitors. Enjoy..............
There is no authority. IRPCS and Racing Rules apply(other racing fleets) people will be advised of a 160' boat that cannot tack/gybe quite as quickly as some may think.In a F4 two of them will be doing 14+Knots. The Rib's are there to actually pick crew out of the water as they have no guard rails. Yes, they(the Rib's) will be charging about at the start, 10:30 Friday, poss. 09:30 Saturday to advise so that nobody is put in danger. They are a magnificant sight as proved by all the boats which want to take photo's of them as they go past. This type of event does not happen very often. In some instances they will be constrained by draught as I am sure all of the Solent sailors will understand, work out and know when! VHF M2 Safety fleet, 77 Competitors. Enjoy..............
Woodlouse
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The IRPCS are a set of rules that primarily attend to the needs of power driven vessels. Whilst rules exist to allow sailing yachts to comply in most situations it does not cover for them absolutely.
In sailing a boat that is generally obliged to give way, but can't due to maneuverability constraints, or lack of water, can ask the other boat for 'water' which then shall be given. You cannot drive another boat onto the rocks purely because a piece of paper says you must stand on.
All the RYS is doing in this instance is ensuring that the request for water is given, by the rib in good time, because by the time the actual yacht is within hailing range it will be too late.
All you lot are getting annoyed about is the fact that the wrong comment got published. What really irks me is the fact that those who are most angry are those who will not be affected in the slightest. Do you really not have anything better to get wound up about?
AndrewN
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100% correct Woodlouse
Thank you Woodlouse. As you may have gathered I will be one of the Rib's. I want everyone to enjoy their sailing, without stress. One of these coming at you near a ledge or bank will certainly increase the heart rate!! Best to be forewarned I would think. Post pictures!!
Thank you Woodlouse. As you may have gathered I will be one of the Rib's. I want everyone to enjoy their sailing, without stress. One of these coming at you near a ledge or bank will certainly increase the heart rate!! Best to be forewarned I would think. Post pictures!!
Woodlouse
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Do post pictures. I would love to have had the time to get myself on one of the boats racing but am too tied up with my own boat at present. Will hopefully be passing through the Solent to find out what happened to Eleonoras topmasts next week...
Ubergeekian
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Sorry, can't find that in the IRPCS either.
AndrewN
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Elenora/Woodlouse
It was a problem with the backstay that caused 20' of her topmast's to come doen. 1 bit fell into the sea, about 15' from the boat the other bit was left hanging in the rigging. 1 crew member was slightly injured but is still on board, It took 10-12 people to carry the top section that was recoverd up the dock! As you say those that do not sail in the Solent will not/do not understand that there has to be a bit of give and take at all times. Port to Port does not/will not work all the time. Common sense prevails!!
It was a problem with the backstay that caused 20' of her topmast's to come doen. 1 bit fell into the sea, about 15' from the boat the other bit was left hanging in the rigging. 1 crew member was slightly injured but is still on board, It took 10-12 people to carry the top section that was recoverd up the dock! As you say those that do not sail in the Solent will not/do not understand that there has to be a bit of give and take at all times. Port to Port does not/will not work all the time. Common sense prevails!!
Lakesailor
New member
Oh - My - God
You really don't get it do you?
If there was a "wrong comment", why was it ever uttered?
Yourself and the self-confessed RIB pilot just cannot see beyond the the actuality of the event.
In the OP I pointed out that it is a great event and that it would be folly to interrupt the occasion.
Yes, some people will create problems with their unthinking or ignorant actions.
But it still doesn't reflect well on one of the senior sailing organisations to post their intention to flaunt the regulations.
AndrewN
New member
Yes I do!
Forum text is too flat!! I agree totally with you...... And you I .. I think. It was a badly worded interview.
Forum text is too flat!! I agree totally with you...... And you I .. I think. It was a badly worded interview.