wells next the sea under threat

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Wells next the sea, is a wonderful little gem. The harbour is a hive of activity with commercial and recreational use, but is under threat.
The channel into wells must be dredged or will close up and both commercial vessel's and you and I will struggle to get in and out.
The MMO are delaying a decision regarding the dredging licence. The letter as shown on wells harbour web site today to me say's some ones playing god but doesn't want to be seen as playing the devil as well
the letter is below.
Why is it sand and silt that has built up cant be dredged and left a short distance away after all it does come from there in the first place. I really struggle to understand why any one could say there would be a negative impact on the marine environment
The harbour has though the hard work of the harbour master bob smith become very successful in attracting commercial activity this has meant huge benefits for the harbour and the town of wells next the sea, but will the off shore contractors keep their fleets at wells ? if not I'm sure it will have a negative impact for us. It may mean the planned new pontoons may not go ahead which would be a real shame for visitors
Just giving the harbour an emergency licence for 15 days seems daft to me !
There has already been a grounding of a vessel due to this.
There is a petition you can sign on line PLEASE DO here's the linc to the petition
http://www.change.org/petitions/mar...nk&utm_medium=email&utm_source=share_petition

here's the letter what do you think ?

Inshore Licensing Team
Lancaster House
Monarch Road
Newcastle upon Tyne
NE4 7YH
T +44 (03)00 123 1032
www.marinemanagement.org.uk
Robert Smith
Harbour Master
Wells Harbour Commissioners
By email only
Our reference: MLA/2012/00257 – LWHC2
Date: 13 June 2013
Dear Mr Smith,
Following your recent correspondence regarding the dredging statement published on your website, I thought it would be helpful like to clarify our position on the Wells Harbour Commissioner’s (WHC) application to dispose of dredged material.
Since October 2012, the Marine Management Organisation (MMO) has worked closely with WHC to ensure adequate information and data was provided to enable the assessment of disposal works at Wells Harbour. In March 2013 the MMO contacted WHC to discuss that we were unable to issue a new licence to enable the continuation of disposal of dredged material within the wells harbour disposal sites. At the time of our discussion we outlined that there was insufficient information and evidence to suggest that the berm disposal site was working as originally assessed in the 2009 Environmental Statement (ES), mainly the dispersal of deposited material. This meant we could not determine at that time whether or not any potential impact(s) to the marine environment were occurring, and as a result of this a licensing determination could not be made. At this time we discussed both short term and long term solutions with you in order to minimise potential adverse impacts to ongoing operations within the Harbour. For the sake of clarity it is important to stress at this point that our opinion on this matter was not in any way the result of objections received from the Royal Yachting Association (RYA) and Wells Dayboat Association.
The MMO often receives representations from the public and other interested parties regarding marine licence applications. When received, the MMO considers the information presented and will work with its advisors and the applicant to try and resolve any issues arising. With regards to representations received in relation to your current licence application, the MMO has considered those representations received and has followed our usual process in doing so. The MMO have not at any time suggested that this application was put on hold due to the content of correspondence with either the RYA, Wells Dayboat Association or any other representation received. Our concern always was, and still remains, the potential environmental impacts arising from the berm, which we could not determine was operating as originally assessed in 2009.
As part of the application process we have received letters of support from North Norfolk District Council, Scira Offshore Energy Ltd, British Ports Association and Holkam Coke Estates Ltd. Norman Lamb MP also spoke with our Chief Executive Officer (CEO) James Cross and provided information on social and economic factors in support of the
application. We can confirm to you that we continue to consider the economic impacts of the works.
The MMO continues to work closely with WHC to resolve any outstanding queries with the application and move to a position where a determination can be made. Following requests by the MMO, WHC have provided further environmental information to assist the MMO and its consultees in determining whether the disposal sites as currently operated are having a significant impact on the marine environment. This information is currently being considered by our statutory consultees and we will also consider any representations from members of the public received during the consultation process.
As you know, we have also been working closely with you to issue a time limited emergency licence so you could carry out dredging that would enable operations at Wells Harbour to continue in a safe manner. We issued this licence to you in 5 days, following your request.
The MMO as a regulator seeks to enable sustainable growth in the marine area. We have received letters of support for continued maintenance dredging and disposal at Wells Harbour and can understand the economic benefits associated with the continuation of these operations. However, the MMO cannot determine a licence without ensuring that it is in compliance with all relevant legislation. We remain committed to completing a full and robust assessment and determination of the application as quickly as possible.
I trust that this letter clarifies our position on the matters raised and we look forward to continuing to work with WHC in the future.
Yours sincerely
Andy Kerrigan
Head of Inshore Marine Licensing
D +44 (0)191 376 2780
E andy.kerrigan@marinemanagement.org.uk

I'm not one to bang a drum and protest but this really isn't what the mmo is supposed to be doing wells harbour channel has always needed to be dredged so why should now be any different ?
once again please sign the online petition it only takes a min

cheers
mick
 
Trying to read between the lines, the routine licence rubber stamp has been scuppered by some one objecting. As no one was expecting this no plan B is in place hence the emergency licence to keep things going whilst the objectors claims are proved or disproved. What is perhaps worrying is the apparent secrecy over the source of the objection.

ps has there been any reports or seahorses in the area
 
no peter
no sea horses, you'd think they want it like the wash just pure sand no fish just the odd tope !
cheers
mick
 
It is a rather two-faced approach from the MMO. The areas off Sheringham were undiveable for a long, long time due to the dredging for the construction of the off-shore whirly-gigs known as the Sheringham Shoal. The water was just brown for miles & miles and I don't think that would have been ideal for the sea-life. This may be a coincidence, but the construction is now finished & the boats that were used for the survey work and the to-ing and fro-ing no longer need to use Wells Harbour.........

Di
 
Signed.

Is Lamb aware of this?

Edit: Just re-read and see that he has. Perhaps he could still benefit from a fizzer up his posterior though!
 
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Hi,

I may be wrong, well I usually am! But the way I read it, the MMO is not objecting to the dredging, it is the disposal of the dredged material and specifically "where" that is concerning them.

Paul.
 
Hi,

I may be wrong, well I usually am! But the way I read it, the MMO is not objecting to the dredging, it is the disposal of the dredged material and specifically "where" that is concerning them.

Paul.

I think that it is the location of the berm causing concern. Perhaps, in the interim, they could just dump the spoil on top of the windfarms.
 
Petition signed. It would be a great shame if Wells became no longer available, it is a delightful place. I think there is more to this than meets the eye. I know that Carrickfergus marina, near Belfast, is also having trouble with the MMO. They make it very time consuming, difficult, and therefore expensive, to do any dredging due to the licence requirements for disposal. Meanwhile, their entrance is silting up. It seems to me the MMO are engaged in justifying their jobs, whilst providing no practical service.
 
I read the MMO letter differently. It is not against dredging, it is aware of the social and employment implications, but the current spoil disposal plan is not working. It is saying come up with a working disposal plan and you'll be able to dredge. The message is buried in bureaucratease, but it's there and clear.

In that, I rather applaud its stance.
 
Good bloke, is Bob Smith. Got a lot of time for that man. Best HM I've encountered.

Have they not recently dredged it for the commercial pontoon? Is this dredging in the inner harbour? Either way, it needs doing. I'll sign when I get in to work.
 
Wells has never (or very, very rarely) been dredged in my lifetime, except when they recently built the new 'basin' down near West Lake for the windfarm boats.

But that was only temporary and only a fraction of the promised traffic materialised to use it, as they used a hotel ship resupplied from Yarmouth instead of a constant shuttle from Wells. But what traffic there has been is now coming to an end.

So are there plans to keep the 'temporary' basin? Do yachts what to use something that's over a mile from town? I say re-instate it how it was now its job is done and let Wells return to it's old self, with a winding, maintenance free channel down to the town quay.
 
they built a berm around the windfarm basin

at spring tides you could see the current ripping past it and the sand sand dissapearing from the berm

some out to sea and some up the creeks

where I kept the slug the locals told me that there was an extra two feet of sand up the creeks

no idea if that was true

however, one of the wonderful things agbout wells while I was there was the activity of the place

loved it - and the harbour staff are lovely - I had a great time there and will go back for sure

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Slr-TsCjXO0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6JStUfatWdw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5tQFzje8lk
 
Wells has never (or very, very rarely) been dredged in my lifetime, except when they recently built the new 'basin' down near West Lake for the windfarm boats.

But that was only temporary and only a fraction of the promised traffic materialised to use it, as they used a hotel ship resupplied from Yarmouth instead of a constant shuttle from Wells. But what traffic there has been is now coming to an end.

So are there plans to keep the 'temporary' basin? Do yachts what to use something that's over a mile from town? I say re-instate it how it was now its job is done and let Wells return to it's old self, with a winding, maintenance free channel down to the town quay.
There is still a small fleet of contractors vessels using the outer harbour. Maintainance of the wind farm is on going. Also there may be further windfarms. If dredging isn't carried out as and when needed ( one storm can create that need ) wells will suffer. There has been a time since the channel has been dredged when I my self was very grateful for the safety of the channel, indeed after weeks of struggling to get a haunted boat ( I aint kidding it's got the bodge gost ) that last bit was a massive relief as the wind got up from the nw tide changed and I was down to quarter of a gallon of petrol for the tempory outboard err 5hp don't like pushing a 26ft, and got in to safety
The bodge gost on the boat has meant every thing from the mast head to the engine loo fuel tank and on and on main engine knackered and had a little 5hp
Before the new channel level I'd have had to anchor off the harbour entrance and wait, which I'd already done 6 miles out of wells for two days
Cheers
mick
 
Does anybody know what the objections were that the RYA and Day boat crowd raised?

My reading (probably wrong) is that they have no proof that the berm is working as intended. By the same logic they cannot say it isn't. Surely they should allow the work to continue until there is proof of damage, if it is to occur, else we are trying to prove a negative!
 
I keep my boat at Wells, on a mooring near the outer harbour. Regarding the dredging, when it was going on regularly, from what I could see of it the dredger ( a 360 excavator on a floating powered platform) just digs in the channel and puts the sand on the side (the berm) due to the coming and going of the tide it pretty soon finishes up back in the channel where it came from.
When I was moored in Portsmouth any dredging spoil was taken out to sea and dumped some distance away where it would not be washed straight back into the hole whence it came.
Wells was not dredged for years before they started using it for the outer harbour wind farm shenanigans. I did not notice the channel silting up then and do not believe it is now.
 
I read the MMO letter differently. It is not against dredging, it is aware of the social and employment implications, but the current spoil disposal plan is not working. It is saying come up with a working disposal plan and you'll be able to dredge. The message is buried in bureaucratease, but it's there and clear.

In that, I rather applaud its stance.

+1

They also gave them a temporary licence, and turned it round in 5 days, so they could carry on dredging while sorting out a longer term plan.
 
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