We’re buying a new boat !!

henryf

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First of all a little background. Current boat is a Princess 50 Mk3 flybridge. Bought off Princess in 2012 as a new boat but actually a 2011 model, it was the London boat show boat and featured in their brochure at the time. Because it was a stock boat we had no say in the spec, we got what we were given. As a result there were a few firsts for us including reverse cycle A/C. It has a fixed bathing platform with a paserelle / 300kg crane.

For those that don’t know the 50 Mk 3 was one of the first with a full beam owners cabin in that size bracket. The very first one we saw was a Fairline 48 whilst owners of a Phantom 42. Re-visiting before be bought this boat the 48 was quite tight inside space wise in comparison. In fact that’s why we moved from the Fairline Phantom 42 to a 2007 Princess 42 fly, it seemed a bit bigger inside all round.

Since buying the 50 we’ve kept our ear to the ground and done the rounds at boat shows to try and find it’s replacement. Unfortunately it’s proved to be something of a tough act to follow. The trend towards galley up arrangements has meant very limited space and in particular refrigeration. An under counter fridge freezer doesn’t pass muster so the Princess 52 and 56 were non starters. Not bad boats per-se but the thought of spending a big wedge of cash only to lose one of the upper seating areas (we currently have a saloon and separate dining area) AND suffer a tiny galley was too bitter a pill to swallow. So we remained in the Mk3 50.

Looking elsewhere Fairline was still very tight inside but Sunseeker broke the mould with their Manhattan 52. Princess rivalling inside space but sadly a caravan fridge freezer. The new Princess 50 can be specced with a full size fridge freezer now and was in the running but it features IPS engines and I do love the simplicity and frugality of shafts, they are also very intuitive to manoeuvre. The new 50 didn’t give us the extra feeling of space either (and why should it being the same size), despite chucking more than twice the money at it.

Something else to throw into the mix is the fact we charter our boat here in the Solent so it has to be safe and easy to handle. We aren’t just a family who can work round design flaws, we have different guests on every day so it needs to flow naturally. We also find ourselves in a wide variety of berths and anchorages during the course of a season. We can’t just make a boat work on our home dock, it has to work everywhere and sometimes that means tight or otherwise quirky little spots with no prior warning.

For that reason things like cleats have to be in all the right places and accessible. You would be amazed how many boats fail on that score. We need to operate with a captain and single deck hand who is more usually found performing the role of hostess. In my case that person is only just into the 5ft club and a sports model rather than a comfort model so the boat has to do all the hard work.

Being UK based which is home to the best boat builders in the world its easy to forget other manufacturers do exist so we had a few trips out to Cannes and Düsseldorf.
 
Whilst at Düsseldorf we came upon Sirena, a Turkish yard and fell in love with their 58, a modern planing trawler style boat. Good value for money, well put together with an interior and styling that was maybe 80-85% on a par with Princess. The helm positions are a bit of a weakness as is the overall interior design feel but it’s a big chunk of boat and from what I could see well put together.

We went out to Cannes this year assuming that’s probably what we would end up buying. In the end the lack of a UK dealer network and no desire to set one up in the immediate future meant it was a non starter. There have been a number of well publicised new boat nightmare experiences and in almost every case it comes down to the local dealer fitting options incorrectly or not snagging the boat properly so I didn’t want to go off piste. Sirena have their work cut out satisfying demand from existing dealers without adding to the work load so I respect their position.

We also looked at people like Navetta who have some interesting designs but I didn’t feel the quality was quite what I was used to and price wise they weren’t cheap. We gave Ferretti a look in at Cannes but they didn’t bring anything from their peasant range sadly. The 500 is much smaller than a current Princess 50 inside and the 550 is getting a bit long in the tooth now with some styling that doesn’t do it for me.

Sunseeker had given the Manhattan 52 a make over this year and we saw the new Manhattan 55 for the first time at Swanwick. Incidentally what a great little show Swanwick is, really easy access to boats, essentially all the visitors are boat owners, a very condensed block of boats if you’re a motor boat enthusiast and you normally bump into a few people you know socially. It’s also local to the Solent.

Many of the stumbling blocks putting us off a Manhattan 52 have been resolved on the 55. Sunseeker 86’d the caravan fridge freezer in favour of some lovely pull out chiller drawers which can be configured fridge or freezer. They also got rid of the silly reversible helm seat that was a bit of a faff for little or no gain. Access into the crew / storage area is via a door set into the transom which works really well. In the same area their “beach club” had us struggling a bit. £7,500 plus vat for a shower head and a fold out seat. The BBQ would render chef something of a Billy no mates as he put fat down on the teak bathing platform. But ultimately that’s just an option so if you don’t want it don’t tick the box.

Of more concern were the cleats. Mid cleats are very high up when using a traditional pontoon and the other cleats will have ropes eating into the GRP hull. Going out onto the side deck is scary, there are no hand rails - the designers don’t like them, the side rail is low for the first 15 feet and the styling bulge forces you out away from the boat. This is exasperated with bow seating that everyone will want to use. I wouldn’t feel comfortable having charter guests venture out to the bow seating and saying no makes me look like a killjoy.

Then there is the overall styling of a Manhattan 55, it’s a bit out there. You wouldn’t sneak quietly into a marina or harbour without being spotted. There’s a lot going on. I also struggle with sunbathing areas in front if the helm position. I’m a miserable old sod and I want to be left alone to helm the boat without a load of exposed flesh and wayward babylons vying for my attention. Those lobster pots don’t avoid themselves.

The main rival to the Sunseeker 55 is the Princess 55 flybridge. We saw it for the first time at Southampton in 2017 and finally there was something to make us want to change the 50. It isn’t perfect, I’ve still got to get my head around a galley up arrangement, through choice I would have a fixed bathing platform with a crane, the entrance into the crew / storage area is not easy, there’s a bit of moulding sticking out - take a leaf out of Sunseeker’s book and whack a door in the transom and then there’s the small matter of price. It’s now three or four times the cost of our 50. The price of progress….

Southampton 2021 was a difficult show, Sunseeker brought out all the big guns, Princess made us coffee and both brands said there was essentially nothing left for 2022. We had to decide which way to jump.

In the end we plumped for the Princess 55. As a charter boat it will work really well. The transition onto the side decks is safe with tall stainless outer rails offering protection along with a reassuring hand rail running the length of the flybridge sides. Galley up will certainly make it easier to serve drinks and snacks although ultimately there may be a bit less space I and the third cabin which we often use for storage isn’t as easily to hand from the galley. Ultimately we will need to re-assess our on board operation a bit to make best use of the new layout.

The single internal seating area is larger than either of the two separate areas in the current 50, the flybridge on the 55 offers a lot more seating capacity than our current steed. The master cabin builds on the success of our current boat, the third cabin becomes a twin as opposed to bunks with the option to fit a sliding arrangement that allows you to creat a double when needed.

We have a lot of decisions to make in terms of spec. I’ve got an initial factory visit planned soon which will be my first ever Princess factory tour despite our long relationship with the brand. We’ve previously bought stock boats. I toured the Sunseeker factory some years ago which was impressive.

Delivery is scheduled for November 2022 so 2022 will be our last using Emily Jo before selling her at the end of the charter season and preparing the new 55 for her inaugural 2023 charters. The Mk3 50 has been a cracking boat that’s done everything asked of her. The fact it’s taken us so long to find something that tempted us bares testament to just what a complete package it offered. We’ve also been spoilt in terms of options, things like the reverse cycle climate control are so much better than previous Eberspecher equipped boats we’ve owned. I’m pleased to be staying in the Princess brand and to have bought another boat from Swanwick. I think there are some genuine people working there, an important consideration when buying new.

Now we need to think about box ticking…..
 
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Great post Henry, sounds exciting times ahead. You 2% (tongue in cheek taken from other thread) are definitely needed to keep the boat market alive and kicking (y)
Your existing P50 mk3 is a dream boat for me, and I can fully understand why it feels like a hard act to follow. But the P55 is an awesome looking bit of kit. If you're going to keep it in the UK, will you bother ticking the box for the hardtop. I imagine its a pricey option extra. Pics below show its a handsome boat with or without hardtop fitted.

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Congratulations Henry.

look forward to sharing a coffee with you and the team on Emily Jo before she goes and chatting through the box ticking!
 
Thanks for the comments ;)

I’ve got a provisional spec drawn up. When looking at the Sirena 58 I had a huge mental debate re: a hard top. Looks much better without but really needs one to make the huge flybridge work. Our current 50 came with a bimini - another one of the bit’s I wouldn’t have specced but inherited and I love it. It stays up all the time. Provides a bit of shade but also holds off a bit of rain as well. Bizarrely I inherited a spare almost new Bimini frame which we’ve got stored in one of the sheds here.

The 55 hard top is a big chunk of cash and I'm not sure looks that great. My biggest fear though is the weight. Weight high up is a bad thing which only detracts from the ride and rolling at anchor so my initial spec was a manual Bimini. I don’t think it’s going to be up and down much So couldn’t see the point in a £10k motor.

Speaking of comfort at anchor we’re also going for gyro stabilisation. Princess spec the Seakeeper 9, Sunseeker only fit the Seakeeper 6 to their M55. From a charter point of view I see gyro stabilisation as a good USP. In many cases it may be the fear for people who don’t get out on the water much although in places like Colwell Bay for the Hut where it is often a bit choppy gyro will be interssting.

I’ve had a bit of a sea trial in a P55 and we did a quick gyro exercise - very interesting. It‘s an expensive box but on a charter boat I think it makes sense. On the sea trial front it was a very different handling boat to the P50 Mk3. I hadn’t realised how sporty the 50 is, I just assumed all boats that size were like it. I’ve been spoiled !
 
Congratulations, Henry! 55 is a fantastic boat. Looking forward to pics and vid’s of the built. Remember to spec a new drone to go with it. We’ve been missing your videos ?.
 
Yes, I will have to dust off the drone to make some new footage for the website. Oh no, that means we’ll have to endure a few weekends lying on some flat calm remote anchorage. Ah well, I’ll take a hit for the troops.

Definitely do something to wet the babies head although nothing will ever match JFM’s launch at Swanwick. Can tou see what I did there ?

i’m sure this isn’t Princess’ first rodeo so they will hold our hand. It’s funny, having known all the guys at Swanwick for years I’m finally realising what some of them do within the build process. It’s a very different experience buying through a well established dealer in the manufacturer’s home country. I now realise how much more of a risk (if risk is the right word) it would have been buying the Sirena 58.
 
Always nice to read people’s thought process when buying something, we all want different things from our hobbies, luckily it’s not one fits all.
 
Congratulations Henry!
She'll need a proper Christening though!



Good luck with the purchase Henry, if you enjoy the new one as much as the current one you are onto a winner.

Nice to see the youtube once again - our previous Island Packet 'Jess' looks so good I almost wish we still had her................................. :)
 
Great choice! Having looked at one, I think that the Princess 55 is one of those boats that doesn't leap at you, but just quietly gets on with doing everything really well.

Personally, for the UK, I think I'd opt for a bimini over a fixed hard top for all the reasons you mention.

I shall be very interested to hear your thoughts on the aft galley set up once you've used the boat for a season, having seen (and agreed with much of) your previous thoughts regarding the galley down set up.

Enjoy! :)
 
I would imagine that if the galley is in full view of all your paying guests then your chef has to be very professional and unflustered. A slightly disorganized or over stressed chef is better off hidden away with only the finished product being brought to the passengers
 
We don’t cook as such for guests on the charters. We sometimes lay out a buffet and offer an afternoon cream tea. Most of the prep work including stuff like fruit for the Pimms is done in advance.

I can see ditching the 2 litre built in bin for a slightly more practical freestanding arrangement ?
 
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