Water based gloss paint - not for boat

[jwilson]

Has anyone a recommendation for a brand/type of waterbased white gloss that is actually glossy, and covers reasonably well?

I have tried several brands, inc Dulux, Crown and B&Qs own. Crown gives the best coverage so far, but is just not glossy, and is quite impossible to get on without brushmarks. The other two are equally non-glossy, but don't cover as well, the B&Q one being like painting on thin milk.

So far I've only used waterbased stuff on non-critical utility room jobs, but I have some work to do in my own house, including some very big panelled doors, and I want a shiny white finish like I used to get with Dulux oilbased liquid gloss. I can paint quite well, especially if it's on a boat.

The last time I used Dulux oil-based white gloss but it went very yellow in months - had to do the job over again with Crown six months later. Dulux completely refused to admit they had a problem, though I later discovered all sorts of other people making the same complaint.

I have been advised to try adding Floetrol to the paint to increase wet-out time and gloss - I've found that you have to work incredibly fast with waterbased paints to keep a wet edge. Anyone tried this - http://www.promain.co.uk/product/search_id3829?gclid=CP2vv4-w6LMCFSHHtAodNEAA2Q

 

[BarryH]

Never had any success at all with waterbased gloss finishes. The 2 best oil based gloss paints I have found are Wickes own brand and Leyland. Seems a bit of a chore to use waterbased gloss and have to put addatives in to achieve what it should do in the first place.

 

[alant]

Has anyone a recommendation for a brand/type of waterbased white gloss that is actually glossy, and covers reasonably well?

I have tried several brands, inc Dulux, Crown and B&Qs own. Crown gives the best coverage so far, but is just not glossy, and is quite impossible to get on without brushmarks. The other two are equally non-glossy, but don't cover as well, the B&Q one being like painting on thin milk.

So far I've only used waterbased stuff on non-critical utility room jobs, but I have some work to do in my own house, including some very big panelled doors, and I want a shiny white finish like I used to get with Dulux oilbased liquid gloss. I can paint quite well, especially if it's on a boat.

The last time I used Dulux oil-based white gloss but it went very yellow in months - had to do the job over again with Crown six months later. Dulux completely refused to admit they had a problem, though I later discovered all sorts of other people making the same complaint.

I have been advised to try adding Floetrol to the paint to increase wet-out time and gloss - I've found that you have to work incredibly fast with waterbased paints to keep a wet edge. Anyone tried this - http://www.promain.co.uk/product/search_id3829?gclid=CP2vv4-w6LMCFSHHtAodNEAA2Q

Try a car sprayer, thought they were water based these days.

 

[Spyro]

That's not true about Dulux not admitting to a problem. We received compensation in the form of vouchers to be used at Dulux Trade Centres after using Dulux Gloss which went yellow very quickly.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2012/03/dulux.html

The important bit
A spokesperson for Dulux said:

In response to the item being aired by the BBC's Watchdog programme about Dulux Pure Brilliant White gloss and satinwood products discolouring under certain conditions:
We are sorry that we have disappointed a small number of our customers. We'd like to explain.

A piece of EU legislation was brought into effect on 1 January 2010 to reduce the amount of a particular type of solvent, known as 'VOCs', which were allowed to be in paint products.

This was because of the impact which VOCs have on the environment. As a sustainable company, we were fully supportive of the legislative change.

All manufacturers who had paint products with VOC levels higher than a certain level had to change their products to comply.

In changing the formulation, and despite rigorous testing, it became clear that in some conditions, early versions of the 'new' paint formulations were more prone to yellowing after application.

We addressed this issue in 2011 by reformulating our Pure Brilliant White gloss and satinwood paints.

We are confident that the performance and finish of these paints is comparable to the versions which we produced before the legislative changes came into effect.

To reiterate, we're sorry that some of our customers have been disappointed. We take customer satisfaction very seriously and will continue to deal with any issues which customers may have with these paints on a case by case basis.

If customers have any queries in relation to these paints then they should contact our Technical Advice Centre on 0844 409 9837 or via email to the following address: general.duluxukretail@akzonobel.com


Since then I have used Water Based Gloss and have had the problem you speak about i.e. Brush marks and difficult to apply smoothly however after a year it is as bright/white as the day it went on and so for that reason I'll use it again. It does make a difference using the correct brush. I was advised to use good quality synthetic brushes as natural hair soaks up too much water, as the paint is very quick to dry this does make a difference.
I also like the fact that it dries very quickly and doesn't smell like oil based gloss.

 

[jwilson]

That's not true about Dulux not admitting to a problem. We received compensation in the form of vouchers to be used at Dulux Trade Centres after using Dulux Gloss which went yellow very quickly.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2012/03/dulux.html

I think I must have been a fairly early finder of the problem and to complain: several long calls with various people at Dulux - all of whom insisted that no-one else had ever had a problem. I was at the time convinced they were lying.

Eventually I got as far as an offer of replacement tins if I gave them back the empty tins. Who keeps empty paint tins for months after a job is finished?

As this was a total top to bottom redecoration of an empty to-be-let house - about a month's work in spare time - I was fairly pissed off with Dulux, and now whenever a suitable alternative is available make a point of NOT using their products.

My next job is however in our own house, big white panelled glossy doors, and I do want a shiny finish and virtually no brushmarks. These were last painted about 8 years ago, still reasonably white and shiny but inevitably a few marks, dings, and wear.

 

[alant]

I think I must have been a fairly early finder of the problem and to complain: several long calls with various people at Dulux - all of whom insisted that no-one else had ever had a problem. I was at the time convinced they were lying.

Eventually I got as far as an offer of replacement tins if I gave them back the empty tins. Who keeps empty paint tins for months after a job is finished?

As this was a total top to bottom redecoration of an empty to-be-let house - about a month's work in spare time - I was fairly pissed off with Dulux, and now whenever a suitable alternative is available make a point of NOT using their products.

My next job is however in our own house, big white panelled glossy doors, and I do want a shiny finish and virtually no brushmarks. These were last painted about 8 years ago, still reasonably white and shiny but inevitably a few marks, dings, and wear.

I use a small 'radiator roller, with a sponge roll, no brush marks then on gloss flat surfaces.