Waeco diesel hob

[Elessar]

Edit wallas (not waeco )diesel hob

webasto also market it rebadged.

I have no gas on board, and no generator. Ive a thumping great inverter for kettle and microwave, but i need a hob that works away from shorepower, and dont want to fit gas.

So i put this hob in. In got a fan lid, when you shut it it becomes a room heater.

Its slower to heat up than a gas hob, and its ceramic top has 2 rings but only one temperature control. The right ring is always cooler than the left.

As a heater its amazing. In this weather my 5kW webasto heater struggles to keep the boat warm enough ( it is volumous for a 40 fter) put the hob on as well and its toasty, it feels like it gives out about 3kW. Its also good to know I have some heating for when the webasto next decides not to work.

On a yacht up to about 35 ft I recon this would do well as an only heater. And it means you can dump dangerous gas.

Chuffed with it. I do have a 2 burner ceramic electric hob as well to use on shorepower. All bases are covered. Oven off shore power is the only thing I cant do, but hey I dont do frey bentos anyway

 

[Kelpie]

Sounds similar to the Wallas cooktop- which I thought was the only one of its kind, so good to know there alternatives out there.

 

[Sandyman]

''. And it means you can dump dangerous gas.''

Do tell why gas is dangerous.

 

[jerrytug]

Interesting, may I ask: has it got a flue, or do the combustion gases all just build up in the yacht interior?
Are you concerned about breathing in CO2, CO, and diesel soot?

I am not arguing or criticizing, just curious, because we are warned about such things in relation to leaving the gas cooker rings on for heating the boat.

Does it run off central heating oil (cheaper than diesel) and are the burners reliant on pressure (like a Taylors or Tilley) or does the fuel drip on to a hot cup type thing?

Is it happy working when heeled? or gimballed?

Do you need meths or a blowlamp to preheat the burners?

Is it a nuisance?

I have bought a Taylors which is going in my next yacht, not because it's safer, and it's a minor inconvenience lighting with meths, but because you can store the fuel anywhere on board, freeing up the awkward dedicated gas locker etc.

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity Jerry

 

[Cloven]

This might give you a bit more info

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AejatYmUAK4

Seems that it does require an external vent

Pricy though at £1200

http://www.devon4x4.com/index.php?p...ategory_id=21&option=com_virtuemart&Itemid=14

 

[FWB]

''. And it means you can dump dangerous gas.''

Do tell why gas is dangerous.

Well it can be. I guess most of us have watched this...

 

[vyv_cox]

The large amount of surplus heat would be our main objection. In Greece in summer we almost never use the oven to avoid heating the saloon, most cooking is done on the lava rocks barbecue in the cockpit. Having an uncontrollable 3 kW heater in an ambient of mid 30s would be less than desirable.

As with many things, gas is not at all dangerous if looked after properly. Every heavily publicised accident when gas exploded has been caused by bad practice, poor maintenance or stupidity.

 

[Elessar]

Sounds similar to the Wallas cooktop- which I thought was the only one of its kind, so good to know there alternatives out there.

Edited - you are right!

 

[Elessar]

''. And it means you can dump dangerous gas.''

Do tell why gas is dangerous.

Silly question dont you think?

With sensible precautions the danger can be mitigated to acceptable levels, but its a lot easier not to have it. Its expensive too, and I have had many a wasted meal in the winter when the gas fails to evaporate.

 

[David2452]

Sold as the X100 by Webasto, a really nice piece of kit, installed a few (and the Wallas one) in wheelhouses and they work well, a bit under 2kw when used as a heater, not ideal when all you want to do is boil a kettle as they take about 3 - 5mins to reach temperature but that aside a really excellent concept.

 

[Elessar]

Interesting, may I ask: has it got a flue, or do the combustion gases all just build up in the yacht interior?
Are you concerned about breathing in CO2, CO, and diesel soot?

I am not arguing or criticizing, just curious, because we are warned about such things in relation to leaving the gas cooker rings on for heating the boat.

Does it run off central heating oil (cheaper than diesel) and are the burners reliant on pressure (like a Taylors or Tilley) or does the fuel drip on to a hot cup type thing?

Is it happy working when heeled? or gimballed?

Do you need meths or a blowlamp to preheat the burners?

Is it a nuisance?

I have bought a Taylors which is going in my next yacht, not because it's safer, and it's a minor inconvenience lighting with meths, but because you can store the fuel anywhere on board, freeing up the awkward dedicated gas locker etc.

Thanks for satisfying my curiosity Jerry

Its a room sealed ceramic hob with an external flue. Just press the on button and it starts, press the off button and it stops. It uses diesel from the main tank. Its just like using a webasto/eberspacher heater, and you can hear the click of the pump in the same way (though its inside the hob and very feint)

I dont do heeling, but they make a pan holder to stop the, sliding off so i dont see why it would be a problem.

 

[Vara]

My neighbour has a Wallas hob/heater and it does pump out a lot of heat, the problem is that as the only heating source and without the benefit of blown air it leaves the extremities of the boat cold.

If the price of £1200 is accurate, that's not bad as in the right boat it replaces two expensive devices.

Does it do toast?

 

[Elessar]

The large amount of surplus heat would be our main objection. In Greece in summer we almost never use the oven to avoid heating the saloon, most cooking is done on the lava rocks barbecue in the cockpit. Having an uncontrollable 3 kW heater in an ambient of mid 30s would be less than desirable.

As with many things, gas is not at all dangerous if looked after properly. Every heavily publicised accident when gas exploded has been caused by bad practice, poor maintenance or stupidity.

Then turn it off! The fan lid is an option for when its cold and you leave the hob on to use it as a heater.

Agree gas isnt unacceptably dangerous with care, but you still need to take that care and have somewhere to store it, find somewhere to buy it etc.

 

[Elessar]

My neighbour has a Wallas hob/heater and it does pump out a lot of heat, the problem is that as the only heating source and without the benefit of blown air it leaves the extremities of the boat cold.

If the price of £1200 is accurate, that's not bad as in the right boat it replaces two expensive devices.

Does it do toast?

Doubt it but it doesn't need to. The toaster does that.

The warm up time makes it poor for a quick cuppa too. But the kettle does that......

Dunno about the price, mine like almost everything else on the boat came from ebay.

 

[Sandyman]

Silly question dont you think?

With sensible precautions the danger can be mitigated to acceptable levels, but its a lot easier not to have it. Its expensive too, and I have had many a wasted meal in the winter when the gas fails to evaporate.

Its far from a silly question. The large large majority of boats use gas. I don't understand why you are so afraid of it.

 

[Elessar]

Its far from a silly question. The large large majority of boats use gas. I don't understand why you are so afraid of it.

Where did I say I was afraid of it? I'm not. One of my 4 boats had it.
But to ask why it's dangerous is silly.

 

[zikzik]

Its far from a silly question. The large large majority of boats use gas. I don't understand why you are so afraid of it.

If you seriously don't know, you should: Gas is heavier than air. So any unburied or escaped (leaked) gas goes to the lowest part of your hull and says there. This is why gas bottle lockers are now required to be vented overboard. And why you should turn your gas off at the stopcock near your cooker and on the gas bottle when finished cooking with it.

By contrast. In a camper van for example, you can vent any escaped gas through a floor vent.

I have a wallas diesel hob and heater lid in my boat. Fitted 2-3 years ago. I won't have gas on my boats. I have gas in my camper van though!

 

[Elessar]

If you seriously don't know, you should: Gas is heavier than air. So any unburied or escaped (leaked) gas goes to the lowest part of your hull and says there. This is why gas bottle lockers are now required to be vented overboard. And why you should turn your gas off at the stopcock near your cooker and on the gas bottle when finished cooking with it.

By contrast. In a camper van for example, you can vent any escaped gas through a floor vent.

I have a wallas diesel hob and heater lid in my boat. Fitted 2-3 years ago. I won't have gas on my boats. I have gas in my camper van though!

Indeed. I have a gas car! But none on my boat.

 

[Momac]

Do be sure not to moor next to a boat with gas cooking facilities - in case it explodes.

 

[FWB]

Do be sure not to moor next to a boat with gas cooking facilities - in case it explodes.

Absolutely! I try to anchor as much as possible. Having taken the precaution of not having gas on my boat I don't really want to raft up alongside one that does have gas. I appreciate that the risk is small, and that your remark was somewhat cynical.