volvo tamd41b help, manuals/inj pump info .princess 30 ds,circa 1989

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Hi Folks

Me a retired fast craft(sea cat ) engineer ,and hobby boater. Always had smaller petrol/diesel cruisers.

Now every day is Sunday I have recently bought a 1989 princess 30ds with twin tamd 41b's on shafts.A marina known boat one meticulous owner from new (now deceased)

I have been away working for a few months now retired and returned to marina this week and winterising etc.

I have no first hand knowledge of these engines and would like to get a manual for them including inj pump pdf or otherwise

both engines very smokey when cold and clears a bit but not right (white) start instantly with no noticeable crankcase compression 1300 hrs on engines,new turbos and injectors at 1100 hrs in boat log book and port engine stop solenoid is sticking on shut off plenty of power on test when purchased 33 knots wot.


possibly a pump timing issue both engines smokey
thanks bob
any offers of manuals/advise very welcome ,looks as if pumps have been disturbed on first glance, with more tech info I will investigate further
 
blobby47 said:
Hi Folks

Me a retired fast craft(sea cat ) engineer ,and hobby boater. Always had smaller petrol/diesel cruisers.

Now every day is Sunday I have recently bought a 1989 princess 30ds with twin tamd 41b's on shafts.A marina known boat one meticulous owner from new (now deceased)

I have been away working for a few months now retired and returned to marina this week and winterising etc.

I have no first hand knowledge of these engines and would like to get a manual for them including inj pump pdf or otherwise

both engines very smokey when cold and clears a bit but not right (white) start instantly with no noticeable crankcase compression 1300 hrs on engines,new turbos and injectors at 1100 hrs in boat log book and port engine stop solenoid is sticking on shut off plenty of power on test when purchased 33 knots wot.


possibly a pump timing issue both engines smokey
thanks bob
any offers of manuals/advise very welcome ,looks as if pumps have been disturbed on first glance, with more tech info I will investigate further
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Hi, I'm very sorry to say but there is nothing wrong with your engines if they start ok, if there the b series there are no cold start plugs they should just go as long as the batteries are good. The earlier A prefix engine had a cold startplug and an exhaust flap that closed while at tickover to speed up engine warming.

The b series is the slightly better motor before the last p series engine which was very good at cold start on the smoke issue. If that's the case there is nothing you can do with them other than fitting some kind of engine coolant or sump pan oil warming system. Nice boat though with those motors in well up to power for its hull size, is it the flybridge version?
 
Hi Paul

thanks for response have just been advised by local marine engineer they are 41 a lumps
don't rate his abilities though , have u pump timing data any where ,I know its dial gauge and pin but what should I look for settings wise
got pdf eng manual but its not listed there ,no fly bridge
cheers bob
 
Hi Again paul

both engines have a heater position on key and need heat for a few seconds to start ,but start up fine
I guess this makes them 41 a's then

cheers bob
 
hi Superheat

Thanks for info .being a retired I am a rnli member and supporter and give when ever I see a life boat as well.
thanks again
bob pettitt
 
You should find what you want here:
http://boatinfo.no/lib/library.html
You cannot down load the files direct but you can print them to pdf and save them on your PC and print them at will.
If you can't get it to work I have the pdfs for the AD41 manuals and the info you want is there. Just PM me with yer email and I can send a copy.
 
smoke tamd41a's

Hi and thanks to all for your help.,
I have today contacted a family member of the previous owner,a fellow boater.total 1300 hrs eng ,1100 hrs new turbo's,and inj pumps serviced and new injectors, new thermostats etc no noticeable change,engines are quiet and powerful so no probs there
he advised me that on reflection boat became more smokier over the year's coinciding with the change in diesel fuel formulations, me being a bit of an expert(a previous life) on cetane ratings I can understand this, however as both tanks full with fame free marina fuel,i want to explore with those knowledgeable here engine pre heating. sump or water.

my dilemma is I am based at a lovely marina on the freshwater Medway at Maidstone. Most of my cruising is fresh water at 5 knots. Very occasionally through tidal lock out to Medway/Thames estuary 6 knots speed limit, so as is I cant just start and roar off, by the time I am out of the mooring basin whole marina enveloped in white choking smoke then at 5 knots its a good 30 minutes before eng temp rises and smoke clears to an acceptable level..

So sell the boat to some one tidal......don't really want to love the look and layout(suits my bad legs problems) iv'e had a hard life lol

move to tidal mooring .............very happy here and suits me bad legs scenario..so no

so now only other option engine pre heating Help any suggestions/ experiences of this

Marina limitations ,shore power 6amps to 10 amps power availability variable. Cant leave connected in absence of owner/crew (marina insurance problems had a boat fire)....so electric water preheaters circa 2000 watts each no good ,,not enough shore power ,have seen some sump stick on heated pads at 12 v dc 250 watt,,but will take ages to be effective at 20 amps draw each(have 800 a/h domestic bank so maybe an option)

erberspacer/webasto ctop water boilers .I have used these over the years to run calorifier and blown air cabin heaters on my smaller previous boats(great for calorifier not good blown air as water only gets to circa 65 deg c) at around £1500 each all in is expensive,any one here used one ,any ideas if I could couple 1 heater into 2 engines??, 5 kw actual output
or any other ideas would be appreciated

Cheers bob pettitt
 
Hi Bob,

Have to say that your problem does not equate to the experience I have with ad41b's...............
I used to own a Sunseeker 34 Portofino fitted with the same lumps but in outdrive form, On initial startup ok maybe a bit of blue smoke for a few min's but was never a problem to me or my neighbours, given a few min's warm up it became barely noticeable and when out of the marina and underway....zilch...nothing...!
So!!! ??? I suspect it can be cured but as to how is another ballgame....
Hope you can find the problem if there is one...
Good luck,Rob.
 
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When we first had our current boat with these engines, the first few times we used her, the smoke on start up was spectacular to say the least, but she had not been used much and as we used her more the smoke became much less. Also effected a great deal by outside air temperature. Now in summer there is a bit of smoke for a few minutes but goes quite quickly.
Maybe you should give it a while and see how it develops.
Another thing to consider is that some say big engines like these arn't really made for trolling up and down a river all day and apparently a condition called cylinder glazing can occur but I dont know much about this. Maybe a reason to move down tidal way so she can be opened up from time to time.........or consider re engining for a much smaller unit that suits your needs better?
 
Ah.....does say B in the thread title!

Right then I predict rotten flaps in the exhaust, or inoperative flap solenoids! tend to burn out very easily....
Had ad31a's in my Corniche,same engine in 4 cyl guise, no end of problems with them....
Think in the end i did away with the solenoids and wired the flaps open, still though never had really bad smoking issues!
 
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Hi Bob,presume you are around Allington.Wonder which 30DS you bought,(Splash ?) frequently go past on our way up to Maidstone or East Farleigh and know most of the names of most of the 30DS up there.We are down at Rochester and know a couple of (very) long term owners with that boat/engine combination in Rochester Cruisng Club .
If you need any general info about your new boat happy to ask.One particular boat has been all over Europe and covered some impressive distances.
Perhaps a trip through the lock and a decent lengthy blast out to the estuary may be the first step.Just one further comment suspect that a shaft engine will always appear a bit more smokey that a outdrive version.
My old Princess had outdrives and the fact that the exhausts exited under the surface of the water appeared to "absorb" much of the start up smoke.
Just out of interest the club will be making our annual "XMAS " overnighter cruise up the Malta again this year,so expect about 15 boats somewhere around the lock at the end of November.
 
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Hi Old Git

and greetings

boat was called terrilea mick and penny's ,originally George Fyfe's, was told he had passed away but wrong info given to me ..have contacted George,a nice guy.
think this is long distance boat you mention,has old Dutch waterways licence's on windows.. its a great boat,and will have to blast her out occasionally. but have to deal with the extensive smoke at cold start,cant just start and roar off and so this week started prior to winterising and white eye searing cloud engulfed marina and river as far as I could see,and it was not cold (15 deg) 10 minutes running on mooring no change. going to try temp electric engine pre heater prior to expensive webasto diesel system.
mick filled tanks at RCC prior to selling and some guys here say type of fuel from RCC could be not helping, I am going to try a temp fuel supply of road diesel to try but don't think this is the cure,but a process of elimination,when up to normal temps smoke is not bad, so I think this the way to go,also preheating will save on bore glazing and additional wear, its an adventure lol.
Thanks for your post .and enjoy your winter cruise,,i am in allington marina
cheers bob
 
Just read your reply, you wasting our time trying to get a 41a to reduce smoke at idle when cold, the compression ratio is just too low for it not to, just live with it. As I have said as long as there both good starters from cold you have good engines and nothing will help you. The idea of pre warming the coolant is a good idea and can be done by buying a webasto heater boiler for each engine running it prior to start up but costly, the other way is once your hot water tank is warm from your mains supply immersion heater is to it an electric pump inline from the engine and circulate the coolant , that way the heat will disperse from the tank to the coil from the engine, which is ice versa from its true roll as a hot water tank. You would or course be able to do this with both engines by adding a second coil or valve system.

Again I have watched over the years so many boats like this especially with ford sabres and mermaids that just do the start up and go trick!
 
"boat was called terrilea...... 10 minutes running on mooring no change. going to try temp electric engine pre heater............. filled tanks at RCC prior to selling and some guys here say type of fuel from RCC could be not helping, I am going to try a temp fuel supply of road dieseL."

Yes know the boat.
The fuel at RCC is the normal stuff with a dose of one of the expensive magic anti smoke/biocide potions,have not heard of any other excessive smoke problems from other boats.
Seems a lot of faffing to try a bit of white but might be worth a try.
Are we fairly certain that (how shall we put this )a previous refill did not come from a drum of ancient olde red that was lying around and available cheap and all the RCC fill up did was dilute it a bit.
As for 10 mins running,that might be OK at WOT (with the boat firmly attached to the pontoon):) but at idle it aint gonna get that engine up to to running temp.

Would still try a decent blast out before putting my wallet in the firing line of some fancy oil heating system.
Its only going to cost £18.00 to Tim at the lock to find out or maybe even plus a night at RCC for a only a mere £16.00. :)
Will ask the 30DS owners at club about what happens when they spark up from cold.
 
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Hi Oldgit

Thanks for response, the RCC fuel thought was only a idea from fellow boater, not meant to be defamatory, with so many fuel variations available now Fame /Fame free but will try a temp supply with road fuel as a process of elimination ,dont want to go that way as road fuel has bio in it ,not good for long term storage diesel bug stuff, that's another can of worms so will leave that topic alone,
will try temp elec pre heater on one engine to see if reduces cold start up clouds
If I was on tidal stretch I could use the start up and go method with out upsetting fellow boaters to much. but unfortunately a bit disabled my legs have only got a couple of hundred yds in them,so need a mooring with close car access.been to RCC with ACC a couple of times and my legs not up to walk,,both times end of up river pontoon allington great for me raspberry condition.If I can pick your brains with tidal knowledge,do you know of any tidal marina's with full wet berths and close by parking with no long inclines to walk up. I have an electric scooter for my longer distance needs but people don't really want them left about.
any way thanks again cheers bob
 
[If I can pick your brains with tidal knowledge,do you know of any tidal marina's with full wet berths and close by parking with no long inclines to walk up. I have an electric scooter for my longer distance needs but people don't really want them left about.


Sounds like you need a night in MDL Chatham.
About £25 ish a night,visitors berth is just inside beyond the lock.If there is a Mrs Bob get a MDL discount card at lock office and get 10% off stuff at resturants just up road at shopping outlet .If you visit them 5 times you get free night at any MDL marina ?
A very short ramp up to your car and you can park car right next to top of ramp..
Young lady you need to speak with is Tracy.
 
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