Frogmogman
Well-known member
Couldn’t agree more with you, Flaming. Each to his own, and all that.I really hope you have a beard, a big bushy grey one. I picture you with a captain birdseye beard tutting at lightly built boats and naive sailors.
You'd be right that my Ocean crossing experience is limited, but my living aboard for months at a time cruising experience certainly isn't. It's only in the last 10 years or so that the amount of racing I do outweighed the cruising.
Dom is quite correct that I certainly don't consider a Pogo 30 as an Ocean cruiser, although I am aware of plenty that have in fact crossed oceans. Here's one that crossed the Atlantic at an average speed of 6.5 knots, and would you look at that footage of them planing at 15 knots. And then sitting at between 8 and 9.3 knots (on a boat with a hull speed a shade under 7 knots) on what looks like a pretty smooth sea.... (5 min mark, and no I don't like the music either) And recording a 24 hour run at an average of 7.9 knots. But no, you said it can't happen, so it's obviously fake.
The 1250 is more what I had in mind when thinking about long distance cruising in this sort of boat. You know, the one that I showed you a video before that showed an Atlantic crossing at an average VMG (not bsp) of about 7 knots, despite calm periods. The 50 does look amazing though.
These people enjoyed their Atlantic crossing in a 1250. I don't think too many Kraken boats will do 12 knots downwind in 13 knots of breeze.... Note the loaded displacement of 7500kg.
World Cruising Club
Or these guys (second article)
Five very different Atlantic crossing experiences - Yachting World
Now I fully, fully understand that there are plenty of people who will read the description of how they sailed the boat and think"nope, not for me". And that is fine. It's more than fine, it's great! Sailing is such an incredibly broad church. But equally there are people (like me) who read descriptions of twin headsails and good daily runs of 120 miles in a 40 footer and think, "God, how dull".
And of course once you get to the other side, another beauty of these boats is quite how much deck space and interior space they have for their length. Which, if I recall my cruising days correctly, is largely considered to be a bonus when it comes to the comfort of living on board.
I honestly have no idea whatsoever why the very existence of boats like this seems to exercise you so much. Or why my comments do. The only reason I even came into this thread was to point out that if you design boats like this, then you cannot expect them to shrug off collisions like others will, and that this is part of the compromise - but that the Kraken man's list is only one definition of what makes a good long distance cruising boat, and a good number of people are looking at the options and choosing fast boats, not big heavy things.
Happily, people who like heavy, sturdy, solid boats have companies like Kraken to build them boats, and people who like light, simple, fast boats have companies like Pogo and JPK etc to build them. Win win.
TBHI couldn’t bring myself to watch the op’s video all the way through. I got the picture after 5 minutes. I can’t be doing with the hyperbolic title of the clip « the truth about…. » , nor with Mr Beaumont’s certainty that his view on what makes a good blue water cruiser is the only valid one.