Vertue 2 displacement vs other, similar boats in size

[doug748]

What do you think about this Rival 32 guys? Not that far from the place I live.

Go and see it, can't look at too many.

Nice boats, Rivals have done it all but at that price I would prefer one with original white gelcoat, more finesse below decks, electric windlass and an engine that has done a lot less than 8000 hours. My gut feeling is that it is a 10/11k boat and maybe a good deal less, it's a tough market at the moment.

Maybe it's new to the market, prices tend to drift down if there is little interest. That's the time to take an real interest if you are looking for best value

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[dansaskip]

I like Vancouver 28 even though it doesn't have a forward cabin

Do you really want a forward cabin? In my opinion they are of not much use particularly on a small boat, they are small and cramped and of no use for sleeping whilst on passage partly due to the motion and noise. Myself anyway I prefer sleeping in the salon, better motion and closer to the companionway. No forward cabin but a really good and useful storage area. Anyway best of luck with your search, just visit as any different boats as you can and see what feels right for you.

 

[Minerva]

Do you really want a forward cabin? In my opinion they are of not much use particularly on a small boat, they are small and cramped and of no use for sleeping whilst on passage partly due to the motion and noise. Myself anyway I prefer sleeping in the salon, better motion and closer to the companionway. No forward cabin but a really good and useful storage area. Anyway best of luck with your search, just visit as any different boats as you can and see what feels right for you.

The flip side, the ability to have a dry, sleeping specific area so you can leave the bedsheets & Duvet on the bed and it permanently made up is worth its weight in gold. Having to stuff a sleeping bag back into its stuff sack every morning gets old quick.

 

[Tranona]

What do you think about this Rival 32 guys? Not that far from the place I live.

Rivals would be on anybody's shopping list for this type of use. This one seems to be reasonably together but maybe a bit overpriced. Engine hours seem dubious as that is 400 hours a year - more than my charter boat in the Med did. However the engine is still a current model and a good choice for the boat. No self steering which will likely take a big chunk out of your fitting out budget

John Passmore is well known for his exploits in a Rival oldmansailing.com/author/admin-oldmansailing-com/

 

[ridgy]

Just look at the AD cruising section length 31-33 feet sorted low to high. Tightwad ocean sailors have never had it so good. Multiple Rival 32, Sadler 32, Fulmars, Seacracker all sub 10-15k, Rustler 31 if you're in to the long keel thing, and that's before haggling.

6.5k for a Fulmar? No doubt needs a bit spending but they all do.

https://yachts.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/westerly-fulmar-for-sale/800447

Thing with a Fulmar is it's vaguely modern and should sell reasonably easy later.

Rival 32 ocean ready, solared up?
https://yachts.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/rival-32-for-sale/807722

 

[Outlander]

What do you guys think about this fuel stove? Is it safe?

 

[Tranona]

Yes, as safe as any solid fuel burning stove can be on a boat. Looks properly installed and has been there for over 40 years without burning the boat down.

 

[Sea Change]

Davey Hot Pot is a good little thing to have, but tbh in the age of £100 Chinese diesel fired heaters they start to look very outdated and come with limitations.
It's a lot easier and cleaner to store diesel than coal. And you can have almost instant heat at the touch of a button, no worries with downdrafts, and heat ducted to every corner of the boat.
I've experimented with solid fuel on a boat and I'm in no hurry to go back.

On the shower thing, I've had four yachts and have lived aboard continuously for about four years now. None of my yachts had a calorifier. Not saying I wouldn't like one. One had an antiquated tankless gas water heater which I used twice and then removed.

A kettle of water in a solar shower is fine. You're never going to replicate a 20 minute, 100l power shower on a boat, even if you have a calorifier.

On passage I don't even bother with the shower unless it's very hot and a very long passage (several days). A once over with a couple of baby wipes is good enough and much, much easier.

 

[Buck Turgidson]

Davey Hot Pot is a good little thing to have, but tbh in the age of £100 Chinese diesel fired heaters they start to look very outdated and come with limitations.
It's a lot easier and cleaner to store diesel than coal. And you can have almost instant heat at the touch of a button, no worries with downdrafts, and heat ducted to every corner of the boat.
I've experimented with solid fuel on a boat and I'm in no hurry to go back.

On the shower thing, I've had four yachts and have lived aboard continuously for about four years now. None of my yachts had a calorifier. Not saying I wouldn't like one. One had an antiquated tankless gas water heater which I used twice and then removed.

A kettle of water in a solar shower is fine. You're never going to replicate a 20 minute, 100l power shower on a boat, even if you have a calorifier.

On passage I don't even bother with the shower unless it's very hot and a very long passage (several days). A once over with a couple of baby wipes is good enough and much, much easier.

4 years without a shower!
ok.....

 

[IanCC]

Hello,

I'm looking to buy a small yacht, have been going through the specs of multiple boats and spotted something I can't explain.
26ft Vertue 2 has a displacement of 4182kg but similar in shape 27ft Albin Vega has a displacement of 2300kg, another one which is 26ft Hallberg Rassy has a displacement of 2500kg.

Displacement close to Vertue 2 is a 6ft longer Contessa 32 - 4309kg.

Why is Vertue II so heavy? Or perhaps - is the data correct? I am using sailboatdata but bossoms boatyard also has the same number.

Nicholson 31 if you are thinking Halmatic.

 

[Supertramp]

I shower every day on land. I adapt to life without a shower everyday afloat. Keeping it simple and frugal (in terms of water use) is a part of cruising.

+1 for a Fulmar (or other Ed Dubois Westerlys). Whatever you choose I agree that 30-34ft is a good size to look for, and that displacement matters. If you are serious about crossing the Atlantic on a limited budget then the boat condition, rig, steering system etc will be the most important factors. Much cheaper and simpler to find a boat already set up than to do it all yourself.

 

[Sea Change]

4 years without a shower!
ok.....

In cool climates, a solar shower topped up with a kettle of hot water.
In warmer climates, unheated water from the boat's tank.
Yes, I enjoy the luxury of a ten minute high pressure hot shower when I can get one. But that's only ever going to happen ashore. If you want to replicate that on a boat you'll need some combination of huge water and diesel tanks, watermaker, and generator.
Some people do expect that level of comfort onboard but I don't think the OP is going to achieve it on the kind of boat he's looking for.

 

[Outlander]

What do you think guys about this Cape Dory 28, she looks really tidy to me

https://www.rightboat.com/boats-for-sale/cape-dory/28/rb575552

 

[doug748]

Looks a cracker.

Unless you travel to America, I doubt you will ever see a better one.

 

[Tranona]

Well regarded boat in the US. Very well built with good quality gear. Bit short of equipment for extended cruising, particularly galley. Modern engine is a big plus.

 

[geem]

In cool climates, a solar shower topped up with a kettle of hot water.
In warmer climates, unheated water from the boat's tank.
Yes, I enjoy the luxury of a ten minute high pressure hot shower when I can get one. But that's only ever going to happen ashore. If you want to replicate that on a boat you'll need some combination of huge water and diesel tanks, watermaker, and generator.
Some people do expect that level of comfort onboard but I don't think the OP is going to achieve it on the kind of boat he's looking for.

We shower everyday, even on passage, unless its rough weather. Then its a sponge Bob.
Solar power is enough to run the watermaker and immersion heater. The 800L water tank helps. Not suggesting the OP could do this

 

[Minerva]

What do you think guys about this Cape Dory 28, she looks really tidy to me

https://www.rightboat.com/boats-for-sale/cape-dory/28/rb575552

Looks ok. I’d think the grp headliner will be dripping with condensation if you plan to sail when it’s cold and / or need to stay aboard over winter to do maintenance. Designed for a warmer climate than here.

I’d also tend to stay away from unusual brand - make re-selling easier. For a similar amount, how about a contessa 32 with a replacement engine?

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/contessa-32-for-sale/592495

 

[Outlander]

Looks ok. I’d think the grp headliner will be dripping with condensation if you plan to sail when it’s cold and / or need to stay aboard over winter to do maintenance. Designed for a warmer climate than here.

I’d also tend to stay away from unusual brand - make re-selling easier. For a similar amount, how about a contessa 32 with a replacement engine?

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/contessa-32-for-sale/592495

The Contessa 32 looks great for the money but it's just way too far from where I live...

How do you distinguish a boat designed for our climate..?

 

[Tranona]

Looks ok. I’d think the grp headliner will be dripping with condensation if you plan to sail when it’s cold and / or need to stay aboard over winter to do maintenance. Designed for a warmer climate than here.

I’d also tend to stay away from unusual brand - make re-selling easier. For a similar amount, how about a contessa 32 with a replacement engine?

https://www.apolloduck.co.uk/boat/contessa-32-for-sale/592495

It was actually designed and built in the NE USA. Many UK built boats have a moulded GRP headliner and it does not necessarily lead to excess damp. The Cape Dory was a [premium boat in its day and at least as well if not better built than contemporary European boats. At this price level boats sell on condition, assuming the basic design meets requirements.

 

[dunedin]

The Contessa 32 looks great for the money but it's just way too far from where I live...

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You are going to have to compromise on something - and not being prepared to travel to see the right boat will seriously limit your options and/or miss the best boats.
Whilst buying in EU to import to UK is generally out nowadays due to bureaucracy, a Contessa 32 would be well able to make a delivery trip a pleasure anywhere within the UK (after doing an initial shakedown).