VAT situation after returning to the UK after a 4 year circumnavigation

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Returning to the UK after a 4 year circumnavigation and wondering what the VAT situation is? VAT was paid in the UK 35 years ago when the boat first arrived from Sweden (I have the receipt). It's all very unclear on the HMRC website!
 
Returning to the UK after a 4 year circumnavigation and wondering what the VAT situation is? VAT was paid in the UK 35 years ago when the boat first arrived from Sweden (I have the receipt). It's all very unclear on the HMRC website!
If you left from the UK and the boat was in the UK (and not changed ownership while outside the UK) then the boat is eligible for Returned Goods Relief (RGR) and no VAT is payable. The original VAT payment is irrelevant. There is a box in the form for customs declaration asking if you are claiming RGR and you just tick it. Nothing out of the ordinary as every time a UK based boat leaves the UK even for a weekend to France it has to apply for RGR on return. Guidance here www.gov.uk/guidance/submit-a-pleasure-craft-report and more generally here www.gov.uk/guidance/sailing-a-pleasure-craft-that-is-arriving-in-the-uk

As a bit of background, before leaving the EU there was a time limit on claiming RGR or nominally 3 years - with discretion. Now the UK can make its own rules this time limit has been removed (following pressure from organisations such as the CA and RYA). So follow the guidance and you should not have any problems.
 
If you left from the UK and the boat was in the UK (and not changed ownership while outside the UK) then the boat is eligible for Returned Goods Relief (RGR) and no VAT is payable. The original VAT payment is irrelevant. There is a box in the form for customs declaration asking if you are claiming RGR and you just tick it. Nothing out of the ordinary as every time a UK based boat leaves the UK even for a weekend to France it has to apply for RGR on return. Guidance here www.gov.uk/guidance/submit-a-pleasure-craft-report and more generally here www.gov.uk/guidance/sailing-a-pleasure-craft-that-is-arriving-in-the-uk

As a bit of background, before leaving the EU there was a time limit on claiming RGR or nominally 3 years - with discretion. Now the UK can make its own rules this time limit has been removed (following pressure from organisations such as the CA and RYA). So follow the guidance and you should not have any problems.
Isn't there a clause about betterment or similar legal term? That it has to arrive back in the same state or worse than when it left. So if you've added the latest Raymarine plotter you got on a delayed in Uship, you need to pay?
 
Isn't there a clause about betterment or similar legal term? That it has to arrive back in the same state or worse than when it left. So if you've added the latest Raymarine plotter you got on a delayed in Uship, you need to pay?
Yes - but that is aimed at taking a boat out for major work that adds value - for example to the CIs where there is no VAT and brining it back to sell. Unlikely to apply to a 35 year old well travelled cruiser which has probably lost value in the 4 years even if it had replacements such as new electronics. Remember VAT is a tax on value added and doubt HMRC would even ask in this sort of situation.
 
I can't imagine anyone taking any notice for a 35 year old boat.
I wouldnt say anything. No one in authority would have any better idea at all.
Plead ignorance if anyone ever asks anything which they won't.
In a year or two the circumnavigation will be long forgotten.
 
I can't imagine anyone taking any notice for a 35 year old boat.
I wouldnt say anything. No one in authority would have any better idea at all.
Plead ignorance if anyone ever asks anything which they won't.
In a year or two the circumnavigation will be long forgotten.
You cannot "do nothing". Everybody entering UK in a pleasure boat has to follow the guidance and submit a form. See the links. Nothing to do with age of boat and where it has been. No big deal. You tick the box, submit the form and get clearance. The RGR process is designed to make life easy for sailors such as the OP. You will have to do exactly the same when you have finished your boat and pop across the channel to collect your beer wine and cheese.
 
You cannot "do nothing". Everybody entering UK in a pleasure boat has to follow the guidance and submit a form. See the links. Nothing to do with age of boat and where it has been. No big deal. You tick the box, submit the form and get clearance. The RGR process is designed to make life easy for sailors such as the OP. You will have to do exactly the same when you have finished your boat and pop across the channel to collect your beer wine and cheese.
That is completely different to vat declaration for import.
 
That is completely different to vat declaration for import.
In what way? Every time a boat enters the UK it is a potential import and therefore VAT may be due. However RGR is specifically there as a relief for goods including boats that have UK VAT paid status to enter without VAT being paid. It has conditions, one of which is that the boat must be in the same ownership as when it left, which from what the OP says applies here. The fact that he has been away for 4 years rather than a weekend to France is irrelevant. He ticks the box to claim RGR. Border Force and HMRC may note that he arrived from (say) Antigua and ask questions but from what the OP says there does not seem to be a "chargeable event" so the boat retains its UK VAT paid status
 
You cannot "do nothing". Everybody entering UK in a pleasure boat has to follow the guidance and submit a form.

sailing up the thames in london area is definitely on my wish list for a holiday trip .
As a german citizen with a german registered pleasure vessel - do i need to register and apply the form mentioned in the link when enterinh UK ? Obviously i need customs / passport control of course .

Hah ... is a german skipper licence valid in uk ?
 
sailing up the thames in london area is definitely on my wish list for a holiday trip .
As a german citizen with a german registered pleasure vessel - do i need to register and apply the form mentioned in the link when enterinh UK ? Obviously i need customs / passport control of course .

Hah ... is a german skipper licence valid in uk ?
London is still prepared for visits from German ships.
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Yes, applies to every boat entering UK waters (in just the same way as UK boats need to follow procedures entering the EU) You do not need any form of licence for a pleasure boat in the UK. Your boat will enter under Temporary admission which will allow you to use it for up to 2 years. All covered in the links I gave earlier.
 
Thanks for the information tranona !

@new to this : i,m afraid HMS belfast will outgun me with ease , so i will come with friendly intentions . Not a great idea to mess with the royal navy ;-)
 
Meanwhile, in the real world, friends of mine sailed in to the UK in an elderly boat which they'd bought abroad. They couldn't rouse any interest from customs, and have now given up trying to 'do the right thing'.

I can't help thinking that these rules are intended for people importing high value, nearly new yachts, and not those of us on scabby 50yr old tubs.

It's possible that my friends just got lucky, but they are the only people I know who bought a boat outside the country and took it home. So on a sample size of one, it's not something to get worried about.

It would be interesting to hear from anybody who has actually negotiated all the ins and outs of importing an old boat, and what they ended up paying. In particular, how was the boat's value determined?
 
Thanks for the information tranona !

@new to this : i,m afraid HMS belfast will outgun me with ease , so i will come with friendly intentions . Not a great idea to mess with the royal navy ;-)
Oh, don't worry about the Royal Navy; it's in the yard for repairs.
 
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