used 50ft sportcruiser with 3 cabins

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Thats located right at the top of the Adriatic so it could be quite expensive to truck it back to the Netherlands because boat transport through Italy is very costly. Probably cheaper to lift out and truck it back from Slovenia. Worth checking out though because of the price
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Worth bearing in mind that it is a 2002 though, so will have the early interior arrangement. This changed in 2003/2004 iirc into the more conventional interior which seems to be the most common for the T52. (For completeness, this was changed again in about 2007, when both the saloon and cockpit were refreshed).
 
Indeed prefer the layout with the U shaped kitchen.

Jrudge will send you a PM. Would like to talk if you have seen the boat.
 
Another vote for Fairline Targa 52 ,We had a 2008 MK2 facelift model for 6 years until earlier this year , bad points - port impeller and starboard filter access ,ended up making special tool to remove filters,3 hour job ,down to 10 mins,also poor visibility from helm unless trimmed right down and poor wiper sweep area .
Good points - everything else ,D12-800 knocking on 40 knts, brilliant sea boat.
 
TK Blue MAX said:
also poor visibility from helm unless trimmed right down and poor wiper sweep area .
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Had the same issue with my T48. I'm 6' 1" and I couldnt see over the bow when seated but my eyes were level with the windscreen top rail when standing so I couldnt see out properly in either position. IIRC, the Targa range was built to Sam Newington's own spec and by all accounts he was about 7ft tall:D
 
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Had the same issue with my T48. I'm 6' 1" and I couldnt see over the bow when seated but my eyes were level with the windscreen top rail when standing so I couldnt see out properly in either position. IIRC, the Targa range was built to Sam Newington's own spec and by all accounts he was about 7ft tall:D
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Or 5ft 5in! Incidentally, the original Targa48 was Sam's favourite boat.
 
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TK Blue MAX said:
Another vote for Fairline Targa 52 ,We had a 2008 MK2 facelift model for 6 years until earlier this year , bad points - port impeller and starboard filter access ,ended up making special tool to remove filters,3 hour job ,down to 10 mins,also poor visibility from helm unless trimmed right down and poor wiper sweep area .
Good points - everything else ,D12-800 knocking on 40 knts, brilliant sea boat.
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I loved the T52 engine room access but the indeed the port impeller seemed like a challenge to change. Do they need to be changed every year on these big engines? - As for the filters on the starboard engines I thought they were remote mounted on the front. Maybe this was an option.

rlw
 
Any thoughts on an early Portofino 53 with the roof that comes of the windscreen. I guess you need to undoo all the covers before opening it?
Just spotted on reduced in price.
 
If you have any questions about the P53 just let me know. I've had two and currently own a MkII version with the hardtop and MAN 800 engines which I'm very happy with. Other than the design of the hardtop, engine options and configuration of the guest cabins, the MkI and MkII are identical.

The hardtop on the MkI was one of the first of its type and while the design is OK, its not the best from an engineering perspective. It works well in use, but is heavy and places a lot of stress on the GRP radar arch and windscreen surround so you need to inspect these areas carefully for stress cracks or repairs.

In terms of handling, I would say the P53 is equal to (or perhaps better than) the T52 and other boats you have been looking at. We have been caught in some very rough weather off Corsica and elsewhere in the Med and never had any concerns and it handles F5/F6 winds and seriously choppy conditions without any problems.

Engine choice is a key consideration as its a much bigger, heavier boat than the "53" suggests (LOA is actually 57 feet). The options were CAT, Volvo D12s or MAN r6s. The CAT versions always seem a little noisy to me, the D12s are OK and the MAN r6 is clearly the best of the bunch. My first boat had D12-715s which were solid and dependable, but towards the end of the season it always felt as if there was a marked drop off in performance and top speed at WOT as the fouling built up. The current boat with MAN r6-800s is good for 36-37 knots at the start of the season and loses at most 2-3 knots over the summer.

As mentioned on other threads, Sunseeker's after sales support and service network in the Med is second to none.
 
Porto 53 as DAW says is a lot bigger .Arguably A step above a T 52 size wise needing a 18 M mooring .
MAN.s I think have more torque over the D12 C 12 variants .
Also although not a biggie less € service parts ,just fewer number of filters , compared to D12
You can get them in full open too .H T was a popular option though .

All the “ Porto “ range suffered from stress cracks n glazing of the radar arch . Its a heavey lay up well screwed on .
This means if the boats been “ gunned “ a bit - spent too long too fast in too big seas then the arch takes the shocks .
Broker told me that @ SS France .
Lucky mine was ok when I sold it ( P35 ) —— credit to fragile wife “ slow down “ :cool:

They also in SS true marketing form back then did a Preditor version called a 55 ( bigger bathing platform )
This concealed Arneson surface drives 45 knot boat with st MAN. 800,s
I understand it has “ issues “ hull wise going from shafts to SD .
Perhsps PYB knows more ?
 
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They also in SS true marketing form back then did a Preditor version called a 55 ( bigger bathing platform )
This concealed Arneson surface drives 45 knot boat with st MAN. 800,s
I understand it has “ issues “ hull wise going from shafts to SD .
Perhsps PYB knows more ?
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The 55 Predator was the Arneson surface drives version with Man 900 or optional 1050hp engines.
Speed was 45 knots plus with the Mans.
The news (never confirmed) was that this model was delayed by a year due to problems in navigation with the SDs, and the owner of hull one cancelled it on delivery.
Hull one had 1050hp engines and delivered mid to late 2004.
Apparently the stern section of the hull was then modified as advised by an Italian engineering firm.

I never saw a 55 Predator with 53P Mk.2 hard top, this giving much less problems to the stress cracking around the hard top and windscreen.

Anyways the story above was told to me by an Italian broker so I do not know if it is true or not.
But hull one of the 55 Predator was delivered in that area of Italy where this broker was located.
 
One of the motivation to try and stretch to a HT sportcruiser is boating in northern europe it is handy when the weather is not optimal to be able to open the roof for mooring and going through locks. Looking at the pictures of the Portofino 53 Mk 1 I get the feeling that you can't just push the button to open but need to undo the rear canopy first or it will tear off. Does this make sense?
 
I looked at 2 P53s.

They were quite nice - one had the cracking issue the other was a MK2 and did not.

The main thing i did not like was the saloon. The table was a triangle and the seating likewise pushed away from the wall at a strange angle.

I assume there was something hiding down there that made that necessary - but to me it looked lazy and unwelcoming - the seating was pushing you away.

The criss cross bunk beds i was not sure about but the kids liked them!
 
I understand the comment about holland but had 2 open Sunseekers and before the Targa 40 in 15+ years so know what I am getting into. Don't feel old enough for the Dutch steel just yet :) There are a fair amount of open sportcruisers about as they have a sociable layout. A lot of older med boats end up there. Heating in the cockpit does help to extend the season. The wide inland waters are quite pleasant if the weather is ok.
 
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