Use of AI

[Neeves]

Lusty is manipulating the truth to suit his agenda. Lithium battery fire, post 43. I was blocked from my Lithium Fire thread because I used AI in one of my posts. I had read the warning on use of AI but felt it was easier to quote and was too lazy to summarise. Why Lusty has an agenda is his problem - but its not unusual for a thread to be started and supported for some non-marine application. I think Sea Change had one recently on rusty trailer mudguards.

The Admin are serious - don't use AI or we will restrict you in some way (this was not clear in their dislike of AI).

Geem has clearly defined that LEP batteries are 'generally' safe and/or safer than lead - but the lithium batteries burnt in the truck fire and closed a major highway from Sydney to Melbourne - it was serious incident and the batteries did burn. They may nor be LEP batteries - but if they are it contradicts the idea that LEP batteries do not burn. Hopefully when the investigation into the fire is published we will find out - but repressing the news because it might not be relevant to marine application seems daft, autocratic. Lusty says his vendetta is to keep threads entirely 'marine' - I wonder if he has another agenda for minimising the dangers of batteries.

It maybe the brakes were the cause of the fire - but as I said - the batteries burnt. The fire was not caused, directly, by the rest of the load - as water melons do not burn. But the water melons seem to have been loose loaded and could have fallen on to the batteries, causing damage, or shorting. It may also be that the batteries were not lithium at al - there is a certain frenzy about battery fires leading to inaccuracy.l


But to emphasise - as Lusty knew well - I was not banned from 'my' Lithium truck fire thread because the Admin thought it was 'off topic' but because I used copy and paste of an AI generated script.

I suspect I am not alone in enjoying the wrath of Admin - just be warned.

Jonathan

 

[PaulRainbow]

You said you knew AI was not permitted, but posted it anyway.
Criticising admin decisions isn't allowed.
Starting a new thread to circumvent your access being removed from the other thread is against the rules.
Posting non boating topics in this forum isn't allowed.

Any other rules you want to break ?

 

[KevinV]

Like @PaulRainbow says - when you're in a hole, stop digging.

 

[Neeves]

How did @PaulRainbow come into the conversation, I've got him on ignore.

I'm highlighting the penalties for ignoring Admin's post on AI (not having realised there were penalties) as a cautionary word or two to others. I know others have transgressed - I saw their post.

I'm also correcting Lusty's post - total fabrication.

Jonathan

 

[PaulRainbow]

How did @PaulRainbow come into the conversation, I've got him on ignore.

I'm highlighting the penalties for ignoring Admin's post on AI (not having realised there were penalties) as a cautionary word or two to others. I know others have transgressed - I saw their post.

I'm also correcting Lusty's post - total fabrication.

Jonathan

You blatantly ignored the rule/s, suck it up.

 

[Puffin10032]

From my own experiences I think the AI ban sensible. Many search engines now seem to have an AI built in. Whilst this is great because allows for a more natural language search, I've found that two, to my mind, very similar searches can yield different and sometimes contradictory results. Linus Torvalds has described Large Language Models (the ChatGPT type) as predictive text on steroids. I think he's spot on. There's certainly no intelligence involved, just techno smoke and mirrors. Useful technology though if used with caution.

On the subject of batteries, Sodium batteries are just starting to enter production at scale. Whilst they don't have quite the energy density of the most advanced Lithium batteries they're now good enough for many purposes and they're very safe. They have better cold weather performance than Lithium as well.

 

[Stemar]

When I do a search, the AI offering is very often an obvious theft from Wikipedia. Nope, I won't give that a click, I'll go directly to the source, thank you.

That's way down at the bottom end of AI. Overall, I don't know if AI will be as big a game changer as the taming of fire but, like fire, I see it as, potentially, a very good servant, but, very definitely, an extremely dangerous master

 

[Davy_S]

 

[lustyd]

I had nothing to do with that, actually. I said what I had to say in the thread and stand by it. Whether you use AI or not, your weird obsession with discrediting LFP isn’t welcome here and any time you post irrelevant nonsense it’ll be called out.

I won’t and don’t report it to the admins as it doesn’t break rules, but I will tell you it’s nonsense and ask you what your aim is.

 

[Refueler]

AI ..... I am in a field that AI is a definite No-No ... it has so much falsehood - it just becomes literally a liability ...

Its problem ? It cannot differentiate right from wrong .. it literally appears top work on the majority posted info would presume to be correct.

When I search online - of course like most people - AI result heads the first page ... I read it ... decide for myself if it seems rerasonable or not ... then move on to read results from proper online sources.

Both though can be in error - so who is right ?

With regard to batterys - I regard ALL batterys as Risk ... the level of risk of course changes with the level of charge and also format / chemistry.

Model world is inundated with tales of woe regarding all forms of Li batterys ... not only LiPo ... LiFe etc. Mostly overstated - but better safe than sorry.

As regards Neeves opening post ... I am surprised at Moderators lack of action shutting it down ! I've had temp bans for less ???

 

[lustyd]

AI ..... I am in a field that AI is a definite No-No

I thought you were in the oil and gas industry, one of the biggest users of ML and AI we had.

 

[Refueler]

I thought you were in the oil and gas industry, one of the biggest users of ML and AI we had.

I am ... but our particular field - we base and rely on PROVEN fact and information ... not AI / Wikipedia crap.

Whether you believe or not does not change what we do .. we often have to pick up the pieces of trade errors and assist the traders ....

 

[lustyd]

I am ... but our particular field - we base and rely on PROVEN fact and information ... not AI / Wikipedia crap.

I guess you've yet to see the solutions in action. AI is absolutely in use to pull those proven facts in. This is not available in your home browser as the AI needs access to the document store and to be told to only return results from it. It's very reliable when used properly, but you have to set it up correctly. We used it in the NDA/GDF project to interpret core samples taken over decades by oil and gas (among others) and to summarise various information from them in search of rocks which are less likely to have faults in them (quite important, givent the project!)

 

[Refueler]

I will not banter this matter ... the work we do - AI is not required - is not viable ..

Multi-national Oil Traders / Companys trust my company to provide the answers and supervision downstream .... simple.

QED.

 

[lustyd]

I will not banter this matter ... the work we do - AI is not required - is not viable ..

Multi-national Oil Traders / Companys trust my company to provide the answers and supervision downstream .... simple.

QED.

I love that you're dismissing it without trying or understanding it. I didn't like it at first either, but then I worked with it for a while and formed a more useful opinion. You'd be surprised how valuable it can be if you are a little more open to it, the large oil companies use it extensively, and one of them was our largest customer (within the territory, globally they were quite small).

 

[geem]

Lusty is manipulating the truth to suit his agenda. Lithium battery fire, post 43. I was blocked from my Lithium Fire thread because I used AI in one of my posts. I had read the warning on use of AI but felt it was easier to quote and was too lazy to summarise. Why Lusty has an agenda is his problem - but its not unusual for a thread to be started and supported for some non-marine application. I think Sea Change had one recently on rusty trailer mudguards.

The Admin are serious - don't use AI or we will restrict you in some way (this was not clear in their dislike of AI).

Geem has clearly defined that LEP batteries are 'generally' safe and/or safer than lead - but the lithium batteries burnt in the truck fire and closed a major highway from Sydney to Melbourne - it was serious incident and the batteries did burn. They may nor be LEP batteries - but if they are it contradicts the idea that LEP batteries do not burn. Hopefully when the investigation into the fire is published we will find out - but repressing the news because it might not be relevant to marine application seems daft, autocratic. Lusty says his vendetta is to keep threads entirely 'marine' - I wonder if he has another agenda for minimising the dangers of batteries.

It maybe the brakes were the cause of the fire - but as I said - the batteries burnt. The fire was not caused, directly, by the rest of the load - as water melons do not burn. But the water melons seem to have been loose loaded and could have fallen on to the batteries, causing damage, or shorting. It may also be that the batteries were not lithium at al - there is a certain frenzy about battery fires leading to inaccuracy.l


But to emphasise - as Lusty knew well - I was not banned from 'my' Lithium truck fire thread because the Admin thought it was 'off topic' but because I used copy and paste of an AI generated script.

I suspect I am not alone in enjoying the wrath of Admin - just be warned.

Jonathan

You posted about an unknown lithium chemistry in a truck fire. There is no evidence to say it was lifepo4 batteries involved in the fire yet you posted it. Its nothing to do with boats in any way and no relevance to lithium installed on boats.
You then add salt to the wound by using AI.
Which bit of your post was any value to others on this forum?
If we want sensationalist BS on lithium, we can read the British tabloid press

 

[Refueler]

I love that you're dismissing it without trying or understanding it. I didn't like it at first either, but then I worked with it for a while and formed a more useful opinion. You'd be surprised how valuable it can be if you are a little more open to it, the large oil companies use it extensively, and one of them was our largest customer (within the territory, globally they were quite small).

Leave it alone L ... you have no idea what my work covers ....

AI has no way to tell where Terminals / Ships steal cargo ... has no place in quantifying cargoes carried ... no place constructing loading / discharge plans. Those are just a few of the many areas we work and sort for clients. The range of services is wide and requires experience over years.

Why you think we would have any use for AI - I have no idea - but I will say again - it has NO RELEVANCE in our work ... in fact it would lead very quickly to my company failing to provide the expertise it is known and respected for.

As I say - leave it alone - you're banging a drum for your own affairs and it has no part to play for my work.

 

[lustyd]

you have no idea what my work covers

You clearly have no understanding of mine either.

AI has no way to tell where Terminals / Ships steal cargo ... has no place in quantifying cargoes carried ... no place constructing loading / discharge plans. Those are just a few of the many areas we work and sort for clients. The range of services is wide and requires experience over years.

Actually AI would be extremely useful in all of those, and would reduce the requirement for experience too. Not only that but it can also summarise and update on new rules and regulations as they come along so you don't fall behind with changes.

in fact it would lead very quickly to my company failing to provide the expertise it is known and respected for.

Or it would lead to being able to provide that expertise more quickly to more customers with fewer errors. Since you are unwilling to investigate you'll never see such advancement other than watching competitors pull away.

you're banging a drum for your own affairs

I'm retired, so not my affairs any more I'm just an expert in the field who has worked with it in your field of expertise.

 

[Shaz77]

You said you knew AI was not permitted, but posted it anyway.
Criticising admin decisions isn't allowed.
Starting a new thread to circumvent your access being removed from the other thread is against the rules.
Posting non boating topics in this forum isn't allowed.

Any other rules you want to break ?

Quite clever starting another critisizing thread at 10.37 Christmas eve when no ones about. The utter cheek of it. The utter insolence. Makes this forum more interesting but very naughty of you. I have to say you are naughty cos I might get cancelled myself so make sure u never do it again

I thought about this topic many times. I'd love an inverter and batteries that can supply my 2.5kw oven but 400 watts of suitcase solar and 3x 80AHr LAs at £80 a pop every few years is still a bargain.

 

[Shaz77]

You said you knew AI was not permitted, but posted it anyway.
Criticising admin decisions isn't allowed.
Starting a new thread to circumvent your access being removed from the other thread is against the rules.
Posting non boating topics in this forum isn't allowed.

Any other rules you want to break ?

What I want to know is what happened to Rainbow Marine, it was there one minute and just like a rainbow gone the next. I went on the Web site and no proprietor name, no address, no contact details except a mobile phone number with nothing else. Now I would never contact a company that only offers a mobile phone number.