rafiki_
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Quaintly put John.
Uncle Albert is a Luddite of the first order, and in fact I'm disgusted that he has already progressed to a sailing boat from his coracle!
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Quaintly put John.
Uncle Albert is a Luddite of the first order, and in fact I'm disgusted that he has already progressed to a sailing boat from his coracle!
Searush
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It's an interesting point & the dancing pinpoints of luminous starlights that follow a late night perambulation of the decks could be the highlight of an evening. 
Urine is sterile as it leaves the body & contains many nutrients useful to many forms of sea life - most of which have evolved specifially to filter such nutrients from the sea.
At sea (especially with strong tides) there is little pollution from a handful of people on a boat, it is marinas & inland waters where the pollution can accumulate & tanks are necessary. Once the effluent & treatment chemicals are collected together in a tank, the need for expensive collection, treatment & disposal becomes paramount.
BTW I am not at all against change per se, it's just change for the sake of fashion or bling that puzzles me.
Urine is sterile as it leaves the body & contains many nutrients useful to many forms of sea life - most of which have evolved specifially to filter such nutrients from the sea.
At sea (especially with strong tides) there is little pollution from a handful of people on a boat, it is marinas & inland waters where the pollution can accumulate & tanks are necessary. Once the effluent & treatment chemicals are collected together in a tank, the need for expensive collection, treatment & disposal becomes paramount.
BTW I am not at all against change per se, it's just change for the sake of fashion or bling that puzzles me.
jfm
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It's amusing Searush how you defend things that are not really that defensible. Whatever the sterile or otherwise features of urine, most of us just don't want it wafting about near our gin. I was just pointing out that to complain about others polluting the anchorage with light while pisssing in it yourself is kinda rich. Anyway, as you mention sterile, the fact is that craap is full of bacteria and other things that are an essential part of the digestion process but are still very harmful to humans if sited anywhere other than the appendix onwards. Not only after the craap been standing in a tank or whatever, but as soon as it is dumped. In the anchorage.
Which do you reckon is worse: hanging out in anchorages avec u/w lights or sans black tank?
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Simondjuk
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Urinating in anchorages? Shocking!
Next thing will be people thinking it's fine and dandy to take a slash in the sea when swimming from the beach.
Then we'll all have to get very offended and stay out of the water.
Next thing will be people thinking it's fine and dandy to take a slash in the sea when swimming from the beach.
Then we'll all have to get very offended and stay out of the water.
MapisM
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LOL, so far I've never been offended up to that point.
But I still prefer to swim in clean and turquoise waters, rather than brownish and stinking.
It's a matter of concentration, you know. After all, also fishes don't use black tanks.
But swimming inside clouds of sh!t and toilet paper is not my idea of fun.
And no matter how useless anyone can think u/w lights are, attaching the word "pollution" to them is plain ridiculous, when compared to what you can see sometimes after a whole day at anchor in crowded and sheltered anchorages, with no currrent or tide.
In a few cases, I moved elsewhere for that reason alone, particularly when I cruised the Croatian waters, which in peak season are really crowded - and mostly by sailboats, I must say.
Not willing to pick a raggies/stinkies fight, far from that. Just reporting a fact.
But I still prefer to swim in clean and turquoise waters, rather than brownish and stinking.
It's a matter of concentration, you know. After all, also fishes don't use black tanks.
But swimming inside clouds of sh!t and toilet paper is not my idea of fun.
And no matter how useless anyone can think u/w lights are, attaching the word "pollution" to them is plain ridiculous, when compared to what you can see sometimes after a whole day at anchor in crowded and sheltered anchorages, with no currrent or tide.
In a few cases, I moved elsewhere for that reason alone, particularly when I cruised the Croatian waters, which in peak season are really crowded - and mostly by sailboats, I must say.
Not willing to pick a raggies/stinkies fight, far from that. Just reporting a fact.
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jfm
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No, not pisssing. Crappping! You gonna defend that then?
SolentPhill
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Hey John I see a new poll starting here...
Q: What is worse
a. underwater lights?
b, swimming in sh*t?
c, non of the above.
d, I just mind my own business and lets those who enjoy get on with it.
answers on a post card and send to the common sense department IPC media etc etc.
jfm
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I'll vote d even before the poll starts, with a double entendre on "business" 
benjenbav
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Cue the late, great Ian Dury:
"I took a sudden notion
To go down to the ocean
I'd got my sun-tan lotion
My flippers and my mask
Improper distribution
Of fully-formed ablutions
Formed an ocean of pollution
In which I daredn't bask
Some turds were teeny-tiny
And some were big and shiny
But they all ****ed up the briney
In which I dipped my toe
..."
"I took a sudden notion
To go down to the ocean
I'd got my sun-tan lotion
My flippers and my mask
Improper distribution
Of fully-formed ablutions
Formed an ocean of pollution
In which I daredn't bask
Some turds were teeny-tiny
And some were big and shiny
But they all ****ed up the briney
In which I dipped my toe
..."
Searush
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I'm amazed that people crowd together in tideless waters to defecate. It must be a Mediterranean/ Carribean thing. But fortunately I do not sail in such fetid waters.
I enjoy 30' tides twice daily & while some of the fine silt estuaries do have muddy waters, most of the coarse sand & rocky areas that I mainly frequent have pristine crystal clear waters famous for their commercial Mussel & Cockle beds. Funny that such filter feeders don't seem to spread death & disease wherever they are sold if our waters are as filthy as you appear to think.
You may sail in dirty water, but I don't seem to.
Funny old world innit?
I enjoy 30' tides twice daily & while some of the fine silt estuaries do have muddy waters, most of the coarse sand & rocky areas that I mainly frequent have pristine crystal clear waters famous for their commercial Mussel & Cockle beds. Funny that such filter feeders don't seem to spread death & disease wherever they are sold if our waters are as filthy as you appear to think.
You may sail in dirty water, but I don't seem to.
Funny old world innit?
Searush
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I well remember the Mersey Goldfish (plus condoms) of my youth, we use to count them on the ferry boat trip to work, but that was when huge quantities of raw sewage from cities were routinely pumped onto the ebb tide all around the country. Since then sewage plants have been built with filter beds & no raw sewage is discharge under normal conditions.
Boat toilets cannot pump solids out in big lumps, it is mascerated in the pump & discharged as small bits - ideal ground bait for certain bottom feeding fish species. So your quote is amusing, but long since outdated.
benjenbav
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After the day I'm having I'll settle for some faint praise, SR!
This is my day so far:
Woke up, got outta bed.
Dose of man-flu in m'head.
In the office:
They're all mad
Called the missus,
She thinks I'm bad.
© bjb 2012
MapisM
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Oh, don't worry, we can't complain after all - see below, just in case my avatar is not clear enough.
In fact, I did say that I moved elsewhere in a few cases.
The whole point, as I understood it, is whether anyone would rather live with with the sh!t or with the u/w lights.
And fwiw, I'd rather move elsewhere for the first than for the latter, but each to their own...
jimmy_the_builder
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So then you thought
you'd post on the forum
Au sujet de turdage
we seem to have a quorum
Cheers
Jimmy
Nick_H
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trying to light up the water's absurd
but its perfectly normal to swim with a turd?
dabsolute470
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Searust...
you say you spend time at anchor in pestine waters, how long do your holding tanks last..
you say you dont go into the marina ???
so how do you empty your holding tanks ????
you say you spend time at anchor in pestine waters, how long do your holding tanks last..
you say you dont go into the marina ???
so how do you empty your holding tanks ????
sigmasailor
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Why anyone would drill lots of holes in a perfectly watertight hull, screw in protruding (drag enhancing) fittings that could corrode, introduce electrical connections that will cause problems and waste energy is simply beyond me.
My advise: don't do it.
My advise: don't do it.
SolentPhill
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wish you said that last year
sigmasailor
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Better late than never.
Searush
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Oh, don't worry, we can't complain after all - see below, just in case my avatar is not clear enough.
In fact, I did say that I moved elsewhere in a few cases.
The whole point, as I understood it, is whether anyone would rather live with with the sh!t or with the u/w lights.
And fwiw, I'd rather move elsewhere for the first than for the latter, but each to their own...
That's so sad, the water & sea floor are completely devoid of life. Maybe you need more nutrients depositing?
Why do you need to live with poo? A few boats' sea toilets do not make any discernable difference in tidal waters. Even when you add a hundred seals, a million gannets & petrels, thousands of fish, a few otters, foxes & even dogs on the beach, the water is still pristine, despite your strange fears.
The sea life (if only you had some) has evolved over many millenia to deal with mammals excretia & it is a valuable, even essential part of the food chain.