UFO 34 vrs She 36

Insults are not an intelligent means of conversation.

I knew the late Fastnet crew member personally, he was an experienced sailor and my then future Father in law, I'll try to remember the boat's name.

The couple of berks who lifted the deck while transatlantic are long gone, but I met them personally; hardly hearsay...
 
Sigma 33C

It was a Sigma 33C that won the Ostar equivalent race to New York last year.

It was well prepared.

Some boats are not.

It shouldn't be a reason to run down a boat that has been rugged enough to be raced as a one design for 30 years and then also makes a good cruising boat.

Might not be everyone's cup of tea but it it is a good boat held out by the fact there is still strong demand for them.
 
Seajet said:
Insults are not an intelligent means of conversation.

I knew the late Fastnet crew member personally, he was an experienced sailor and my then future Father in law, I'll try to remember the boat's name.

The couple of berks who lifted the deck while transatlantic are long gone, but I met them personally; hardly hearsay...
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Nobody's insulted you, just asked for a bit more detail. It's called conversation.

So why did the deck lift and how did they cause it to do so? Exactly what happened? How did the crew contribute to the damage?
 
Sigma stories

To be fair, I did say that what some people had told him might be rubbish. Unlike me he is probably infallible so he would regard it as an insult.
But what would I know, I only owned one for seven years and my son has been racing on them regularly for the last twenty.
 
Yes, chum, if I was infallible I'd be sailing an Optimist around Cape Horn !

The account re. the Sigma is true as I recounted it; the 2 delivery skippers thought they were being heroes but had no idea of engineering or structures.

They pushed the boat very hard in a gale to windward, resulting in said damage - it's a miracle they didn't lose the rig or indeed sink.

One of then was later forcibly flown home from Bermuda, he'd 'entertained' a lady of doubtful virtue on R.Stigwood's gin palace, and she left hairs from her sweater in the forbidden saloon; he was frogmarched to the airport !

Yours infallibly,

Seajet ( do you know how that term comes about ?! Not a boast about sailing speed... )
 
Seajet said:
Yes, chum, if I was infallible I'd be sailing an Optimist around Cape Horn !

Yours infallibly,

Seajet ( do you know how that term comes about ?! Not a boast about sailing speed... )
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Well at least when you are talking b****ks, you will not be trying to talk some poor soul into buying something like an Anderson 22 then!
Oops, perhaps you are doing the same then too?
I have heard even stranger adventure stories in a bar, but then I am not blessed with sufficient gullibility to recount them later as if they were fact.
 
It seems 'talking b****ks' is your domain.

I was there, it's not a 'friend of a friend story', if you don't like it tough luck and show some manners if you have any.

Re. Anderson 22's, I don't make a penny out of those which sell but you're welcome for a sail next season; perhaps you should read a bit about the boat first, www.anderson22class.co.uk

No 'poor soul' has complained about having an Anderson 22; but before the insults set in from apparently personally inadequate types, I thought we were discussing She 36 v UFO 34 ?!

I'd be happy to list the failings too of the Anderson, and for that matter the many more of the Carter 30 I had for a few years...
 
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The Rival 34 was mentioned,

in my experience a good seaboat but tends to 'hobby horse', pitching bows up a lot.

A comment was made that people should be careful of amateur built examples, but the one I knew - fitted out by the late owner - was one of the best built boats I've ever seen.

Speaking as a money no object project though, I'd still go for the She every time.
 
If anyone out there has any interest in the truth about Sigma 33 OOD rigs and how they are tuned I would be pleased to explain how it is done, and why the tales that 'Aunty Fouling' has heard and is spreading are such twaddle. But since the thread was about other boats altogether and the Sigma fantasy stories have not been expanded, explained or verified anyway, I presume that it is not really necessary. Anyone who has been on one will know where the rig goes to, and its not the deck.
Perhaps that is what the problem is with the Anderson 22, no chain plates? only guessing though, I have never been on one and am prepared to admit I know nothing about them.
 
Quandary said:
If anyone out there has any interest in the truth about Sigma 33 OOD rigs and how they are tuned I would be pleased to explain how it is done...
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I sailed from Plymouth to Scotland on a Sigma 33 about 20 years ago. It was initially a bit worrying to find that the rig was so tight that the door to the forecabin would not close - by about an inch, iirc - but since the owner was on board, was a very well known yacht surveyor (Quandary, I'll bet you can guess who) and had just won the UK championships I was prepared to stifle my doubts. Great trip, lovely boat.
 
Quandary,

You adnit you're clueless on the subject then continue to try to rubbish Andersons !

I offerered you the chance to see and sail one, and explained my reasons for not fancying a Sigma 33 ( on a site discussing She 36 v UFO 34 ).

Chain plates and backing pads are plentiful, but up to individual owners - You are close to approaching idiot status as a boat without chainplates wouldn't have a rig !
 
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Can anyone tell me how many of the SHE36 boats were built?
I have read that the Northstar 1500 hull design is related to the SHE36, even though the data I find suggests there is differences. Also the Hughes 35 is a related hull design.
Has anyone here sailed the Northstar 1500 and what are opinions/comparisons with the SHE36. The Northstar 1500 seems to be more available on the market and at reasonable price, even though they are across the ocean.
 
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zarathustra said:
Can anyone tell me how many of the SHE36 boats were built?
I have read that the Northstar 1500 hull design is related to the SHE36, even though the data I find suggests there is differences. Also the Hughes 35 is a related hull design.
Has anyone here sailed the Northstar 1500 and what are opinions/comparisons with the SHE36. The Northstar 1500 seems to be more available on the market and at reasonable price, even though they are across the ocean.
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From the drawings on Sailboatdata and elsewhere the basic hull appears the same but the rudder/skeg arrangement is slightly larger and much further aft on the She(the Northstar and Hughes are from the same mould as far as I can tell). The other difference is the very different coachroof treatment; it does appear to offer more headroom but cosmetically it's a lot less sleek looking than the She(and perhaps less handy for racing with). With the rudder/skeg further forward the Northstar/Hughes had to utilise a V-drive in order to keep the engine under the companionway; these days the builders would just use a saildrive. If you do a search on Sailnet.com there's a guy who posts as Jeff_H who has written favourably about the Hughes/Northstar; perhaps not quite a match for South Hants Engineering, but good solid build quality nonetheless.
 
Phideaux said:
I understand there was a survey in 2008 that identified areas of high moisture under the epoxicoat; this might require the epoxy to be stripped off in those areas, hull drying and then re-epoxy. Also the teak decks have not been maintained in recent years and will probably need replacing in the next 4-6 years. I believe the electrics, plumbing, instrumentation and interior has been neglected. It will probably need new rigging, sails and running gear. Cost to put into reasonable shape by a yard probably £20-30k depending on your specification for minimal equipment and modest finish (not including new sails).

As a newcomer to boats (but well experienced with refurbishing houses) my estimate for DIY is £10k basic buying S/H equipment, then the cost of instrumentation (£3-5 basic, £5-8 better) if you have the skills and somewhere to work on her (plus haul-out, transport, storage, transport back and commissioning - allow £3-5k over 6-12 months). Value as a 30 yr old boat maybe £40-45k as a fully refurbished, top-notch example. So £40k value, less [ £15k DIY + £4k] market value around £20k breakeven, or £15k if you want to add a contingency and some money for your labour.

Even at this estimate, I'd willingly bet that you'd loose money (lots and lots) if you totalled money out vrs money received upon sale. You are buying, not as an investment [ :mad: ], but because you want to own and sail that particular marc of boat :o and beauty is in your eyes.
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Interesting, a good friend of mine has actually bought the She 36 down in Falmouth for a good price and is currently working on her. I haven't seen her yet but will go on board in due course
 
longjohnsilver said:
Interesting, a good friend of mine has actually bought the She 36 down in Falmouth for a good price and is currently working on her. I haven't seen her yet but will go on board in due course
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I thought that was a fine looking boat and if timing suited would have liked to visit her when it was for sale. I wish him the best with it, would like to hear your impressions when you see it.
 
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