UFO 34 vrs She 36

Ok, at that price I'll take the complete version, will go for the 35hp engine, when can I collect it?

Bajansailor said:
The price of a complete boat in 1976 was GBP 19,500 (ex VAT) with a Thorneycroft 90 35 hp diesel engine - alternatively, you could have a 12 hp Yanmar engine instead for GBP 18,950 ex VAT.
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Morgana said:
Was it Sherpa?
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Sherpa was up for sail after a big time in the Caribean IIRC.... It was certainly about that time, and may have been her.... She (As in the one that I was looking at..)was being listed with Plymouth Yacht Brokers at PYH.. Though I cant honestly say if it was her or not that I looked at... Would have been about 2003 (?) or so...
 
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Phideaux said:
Why a preference for a tiller?
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In my case, the fact that I can steer a good course to windward in a sea without having to think about it. Put a wheel in front of me and it all goes to pot.

It's just a matter of what you're used to. One of my sailing friends hates tillers.

Pete
 
prv said:
In my case, the fact that I can steer a good course to windward in a sea without having to think about it. Put a wheel in front of me and it all goes to pot.

It's just a matter of what you're used to. One of my sailing friends hates tillers.

Pete
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the one ( well 2 really ) thing one need with a wheel is a very good autohelm + a very good sprayhood ;)
 
Phideaux said:
Why a preference for a tiller?
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I guess Fisherman can answer for himself but I would say for the singlehander...

It is sometimes very handy to get the rudder hard over very quickly, for example to lose boatspeed when coming up to buoy, esp under sail. Quite easy with a tiller but not so quick to spin a wheel from lock to lock.

Under sail your position in front of the tiller is handy, and when tacking you can often jam it with leg or hip whilst you deal with the jib sheets which (on many boats) then fall easily to hand. You are also naturally in range of the mainsheet track.

Coming alongside a pontoon, or up to a mooring, a tiller allows you to be forward in the cockpit and still be in charge of the tiller untill the last possible moment. Again it is quick and can be operated with your boot if need be.

In each of these cases the focus of your attention is forward, turning to operate the wheel quickly is not ideal and operating it behind your back is tricky. A tiller is simple, light, unlikely to let you down and, as prv has suggested, it is also responsive because of it's lack of linkages. Sailorman's point is also a good one, with a tiller extension you can lurk under the sprayhood and still enjoy steering in the dry.
 
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doug748 said:
I guess Fisherman can answer for himself but I would say for the singlehander...

It is sometimes very handy to get the rudder hard over very quickly, for example to lose boatspeed when coming up to buoy, esp under sail. Quite easy with a tiller but not so quick to spin a wheel from lock to lock.

Under sail your position in front of the tiller is handy, and when tacking you can often jam it with leg or hip whilst you deal with the jib sheets which (on many boats) then fall easily to hand. You are also naturally in range of the mainsheet track.

Coming alongside a pontoon, or up to a mooring, a tiller allows you to be forward in the cockpit and still be in charge of the tiller untill the last possible moment. Again it is quick and can be operated with your boot if need be.

In each of these cases the focus of your attention is forward, turning to operate the wheel quickly is not ideal and operating it behind your back is tricky. A tiller is simple, light, unlikely to let you down and, as prv has suggested, it is also responsive because of it's lack of linkages. Sailorman's point is also a good one, with a tiller extension you can lurk under the sprayhood and still enjoy steering in the dry.
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You have just about covered everything. The main advantage though is its much easier to connect a windvane control lines and electronic tiller autopilots are cheaper and more effective. Plus cockpit room in harbour is clear with a tiller up and out of the way.

The UFO cockpit is made for tiller use, the wheel fitted ones are just an obstacle course. Different story if they had T cockpits.

In my yacht I sit just behind the cabin rear edge, there is a moulded in spoiler that deflects wind over my head, no need for an air brake [canvas canopy thingy]. I can stand up and use both hands on all control lines and steer with my butt. Even ducking down below I can glance back and check the tiller is in the correct place.
Several UFOs for sale here and I seriously considered one of them, the only one with tiller steering.
 
fishermantwo said:
I can stand up and use both hands on all control lines and steer with my butt.
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Yep, me too. Plus sit right at the front of the cockpit under the sprayhood, and reach things at the aft end of the cabin (GPS, radio, biscuits, etc). Admittedly doesn't work quite as well with a full crew - KS's cockpit is quite short to make room for the mizzen, and someone will usually be in the way of the tiller when tacking. But the helm can hinge it up and duck under, so it's not too bad.

The arse-steering approach is also vital when motoring along a river first thing - how else are you going to nonchalantly hold a mug of tea in one hand and a bacon butty in the other?

Pete
 
Phideaux said:
UFO 34 immediately springs to mind. Westerly Fulmar 32 (around £26k if you're lucky) Westerly Typhoon 37 (£45k - more than I can afford), maybe a Sigma 33 (£22k) or 38 (tired versions for about £30k)
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If you're looking at a Fulmar it might also be worth looking at a Westerly Tempest, and Storm if you can find one that fit's your budget...And if you're just planning to sail short handed there is also a Sadler 32...and no I'm not selling ours :p
 
fishermantwo said:
electronic tiller autopilots are cheaper and more effective.
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Ah! this is interesting as I've been getting used to using autopilot with a wheel as I dance around sorting out lines etc. I knew that there were simple 'push/pull' rod systems but never having used one I don't know how effective they are. I am aware, having read quite a lot about them, that tillers are better suited to many wind-vane steering systems.
 
Phideaux said:
Ah! this is interesting as I've been getting used to using autopilot with a wheel as I dance around sorting out lines etc. I knew that there were simple 'push/pull' rod systems but never having used one I don't know how effective they are. I am aware, having read quite a lot about them, that tillers are better suited to many wind-vane steering systems.
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Or you can go for a system that is independent of the existing steering system (such as the Hydrovane), that then means the debate over wheel or tiller is irrelevant... plus provides a complete back up steering system in the event of failure
 
Morgana said:
Or you can go for a system that is independent of the existing steering system (such as the Hydrovane), that then means the debate over wheel or tiller is irrelevant... plus provides a complete back up steering system in the event of failure
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as does the quadrant A/h ram that i have. it worked a tread when the steering cable parted 25 nmls out of Oostende :cool:
 
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