Phideaux
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UFO 34 vrs She 36
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snooks
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Phideaux
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A UFO34 won her class in the 79 Fastnet
Your point was??
Perhaps that not only did a She36 battle through such conditions, but also had the strength to deviate and go in aid of others.
Tranona
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Having thought about it a bit more, I think the basic issue is that there are very few boats designed to do what you are planning. The reason for that I think is very simple - the market is so small that people either have the budget and go the custom route - Skip Novak's Pelagic comes to mind - or they look for an existing boat to adapt.
This is the rub if you are on a limited budget - you are condemned (if thats the right word) to other people's cast offs. So you look for the characteristics in a boat that you think are closest to what you want. Like any other enterprise there are many ways of doing it. A very good friend built his own "bluewater" cruiser and one of his criteria was to minimise the amount of time he wore his oilies and maximise the amount of time he wore his carpet slippers. Was a very successful boat and nothing like the boats you are considering.
It is a bit of a truism that you can cross oceans in just about anything that floats - but in different ways. In just the same way some people go long distance touring in Morgans like mine - but not my style of motoring. Give my my big airconditioned diesel cruiser any day for that job.
So when you look at how people explore the oceans of the world you find everything from state of the art marvels like the Open 60s to humble little long keelers and just about evrything in between. Whatever you choose will almost certainly require significant changes to fulfill its new role and I guess the question is can you economically turn a big(ish) 35 year old racing oriented boat into an effective long distance singlehander? - within a limited budget.
Boo2
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Cost to buy of 36' boats seems a lot more than 33-34' and you don't get all that much extra space. For me the main step up from an average 34 footer would be a walkthrough rear cabin, but apart from a few exceptions those only come into their own in even biggr boats than that. Upkeep is a major consideration also, but I don't really think handling differences are a major issue between 34 and 36 foot boats.
You said before you would be able to think about doing the interior yourself, do you have skills in that area ? I could point you towards a well-priced boat if so, let me know and I'll pm you the details.
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robertj
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I think you've made your mind up on the She!
Best now to go buy one and try it for yourself as said previous all boat owners think their boat is best.
This forum will degenerate into a character assasination if not careful.
I did find your comments when one poster expressed an opinion and only that, to be met with a snipe of a comment rather irritating. If you don't want opinions and comments don't ask!!
doug748
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Well, one way or the other, one course of action is to get down to Falmouth to look at that She (and perhaps the Trapper 700 while you are at it). Waiting for the exact right boat, considering it, talking about it; gets no saltwater on yer wellies (as the bard said). You may well find, in talking to the broker, he has a deal of background intfo of the type you require.
The price looks good, one sold recently in Plymouth for "near" the asking price of £37,000.
Fred Drift:
Did they mainly/all come with the linear galley?
The price looks good, one sold recently in Plymouth for "near" the asking price of £37,000.
Fred Drift:
Did they mainly/all come with the linear galley?
Boo2
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...also has wooden decks. I don't want to put anyone off (or start any bun fights) but it would be well worth browsing through these forums for topics with "teak deck" in their title before plumping for a boat so endowed...
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Tranona
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At the risk of being shot down again, but I agree. Looked at the photos of the boat (very good ones BTW) and note many bungs standing proud of the deck. Sure sign all is not well. Antiquated engine as well. Pity as when they were new they were attractive boats.
photodog
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That Trapper looks like a potentially lovely boat.... if you could get her sharpish and spend some tiem she could be real nice....
But is is just me... but does the whole centerboard thing not really do the business....
Sure you get a bit of a reduction in draft... but not enough to be real usefull... a bit of a hinderance I would have thought to drying out.... (At the risk of getting **** in the bottom of the caseing...) and increased costs of maintanence....
Either a proper lift keel that means you can float in bath... or bilge keels... but I am a big fan of the centerboard thing...
But is is just me... but does the whole centerboard thing not really do the business....
Sure you get a bit of a reduction in draft... but not enough to be real usefull... a bit of a hinderance I would have thought to drying out.... (At the risk of getting **** in the bottom of the caseing...) and increased costs of maintanence....
Either a proper lift keel that means you can float in bath... or bilge keels... but I am a big fan of the centerboard thing...
earlybird
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IMHO, there's a lot of difference between sailing single-handed and with even just one crew member. Two-up or more, the She36 would be a lovely boat to own. For single-handing, I'm not too sure,
I owned a She 31 which was a good single hander, but cramped for 3 people. I aspired to a 36, but really beyond my budget. Also looked at a She33, but it didn't do anything for me, so I bought my S&S 34 which I often sail solo. Again a lovely boat to sail, but the extra size and weight is quite noticeable, esp. for anchoring, berthing etc. A She 36 would be a sizable step further. Also, I don't think I'd be too keen on a wheel for single handing.
If you are not really going to sail more than 2-up, and want that S&S " je ne sais quoi", look for a She Delta and grab with both hands if you find one. (You probably won't !!)
Tranona
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depends on the circumstances. One of the first 700s was moored for several years just above Ridge Wharf on the Frome. Guess the reduction in draft made a big difference to his windows for getting in and out of the river!
carrswood
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As above views testify, the She 36 is one of the 'Rolls Royce' of yachts. Its a classic which will always be in demand. It may not provide the luxury living of todays volume production cruisers but thats not what your looking for. And sadly there are few production yachts of today which retain the sailing characteristics of the 1960's + 70's designs of S&S, Holman Pye, Van de Stadt etc. For this reason you will i'm afraid have to pay over the odds for a well sorted boat.
Phideaux
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I think so; experienced in carpentry, cabinet-making, electrics, plumbing and engineering. Not so experienced in modern electronics or GRP fabrication but I can learn. I'll PM you.
Thanks,
Simon
Phideaux
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I'd better go back through my posts and see where I've been short-tempered
Any "snipe of a comment" was not meant to be offensive and may have been made in haste.Actually, I've now gone though all my post on this topic and I can't actually find any that I think "sniped" at the respondent. Perhaps I'm just **** at appreciating how others might perceive me?
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fishermantwo
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I agree with the above post. Not sure if any She 36's ever arrived in Australia though we have SS36's and hundreds of SS34s. Lot Of UFO34s as well. I was keen on buying a UFO 34 but just a bit over my budget and they are slightly cheaper here than a SS34. The UFO is supposedly a better boat with a tiller than a wheel which makes it an easier boat to singlehand. Unfortunately there are not many tiller steered UFOs or SS34s. Note that Jessica Watson ripped out the wheel steering on her SS34. I have recently purchased a Currawong 30 which is an Australian classic, built in 1979, 5 Sydney Hobart races under her belt and very much in line with carrswood's post above.
Tiller steered version of either would be my advice. If the boat needs a wheel you don't need that boat.
zarathustra
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What would you estimate it would cost to get this into respectable and reliable cruising condition, approximately from the condition of the pics. What would you expect to have to change to make this a good 2 person boat? Would this boat make good sense at 25k. With a budget of €40k for a boat to cross the Irish sea ocassionaly is this worth consideration. Will the modern boats you mention have the seaworthiness of the She. I notice the more modern boats are often criticised for lack of seaworthiness.
zarathustra
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Why is that? One would assume that as things progress there would be improvements at ever affordable prices!!! Are those boats of the 60's and 70's still worth purchasing today?
Phideaux
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I understand there was a survey in 2008 that identified areas of high moisture under the epoxicoat; this might require the epoxy to be stripped off in those areas, hull drying and then re-epoxy. Also the teak decks have not been maintained in recent years and will probably need replacing in the next 4-6 years. I believe the electrics, plumbing, instrumentation and interior has been neglected. It will probably need new rigging, sails and running gear. Cost to put into reasonable shape by a yard probably £20-30k depending on your specification for minimal equipment and modest finish (not including new sails).
As a newcomer to boats (but well experienced with refurbishing houses) my estimate for DIY is £10k basic buying S/H equipment, then the cost of instrumentation (£3-5 basic, £5-8 better) if you have the skills and somewhere to work on her (plus haul-out, transport, storage, transport back and commissioning - allow £3-5k over 6-12 months). Value as a 30 yr old boat maybe £40-45k as a fully refurbished, top-notch example. So £40k value, less [ £15k DIY + £4k] market value around £20k breakeven, or £15k if you want to add a contingency and some money for your labour.
Even at this estimate, I'd willingly bet that you'd loose money (lots and lots) if you totalled money out vrs money received upon sale. You are buying, not as an investment [
], but because you want to own and sail that particular marc of boat 
and beauty is in your eyes.
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zarathustra
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Thanks for that. It doesn't look an attractive proposition with all that work to do. You have obviously an interest in the She36 also, or similar. What other boats take your fancy at this size range?