Two bouts NTM Clyde

capnsensible said:
Do you list under your hobbies 'straw clutcher'?
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If I get sunk by a RN submarine (remember that fishing boat off the Isle of Man? The navy denied that one for years) I'll clutch at anything going, including straws and broken off bits of periscope.

To be fair, though, I generally found RN submarines courteous. The USN ones from Holy Loch, on the other hand, were cavalier yahoos. When one of them approached me at speed, dived under me and then surfaced on the other side, I gave my keel bolts I good whanging with a hammer. I like to think it blew the sonar man's eardrums out. Probably didn't, but the thought consoled me.
 
moomba said:
The boats are loaded in Faslane from Coulport which the trucks bring the missiles down , this is common knowledge , and is why the Russians have a few ICBMS pointed at the base.
All boomers are tried to be followed from both sides , this is the get first strike capabilities or retaliation dismissed from the equation as the UK nuclear arsenal is on these boats and if war broke out the Russians would try to sink then imedialty thefore nullifiyng our threat
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I see. I bow to your expert knowledge.:rolleyes:
moomba said:
Me I just rabiting:D
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capnsensible said:
Do you think that something has been said on this thread that isnt clearly in the Public Domain? Wow.....:)
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The Public Domain is full of fake stuff to throw people off the scent - see below. Moomba is the local expert.:encouragement:
If I were him I'd delete my posts containing the real operational details in case MOD Plod come knocking on his door.
Royal Naval Armaments Depot Coulport, shortened to RNAD Coulport, on Loch Long in Argyll, Scotland, is the storage and loading facility for the nuclear warheads of the United Kingdom's Trident programme. The base, near the village of Coulport, has up to 16 reinforced concrete bunkers built into the hillside on the eastern shore of Loch Long. It is the last depot in Britain to retain the "RNAD" designation, indicating a Royal Naval Armaments Depot.

The depot was established during the Cold War as the storage, maintenance and loading facility for Polaris nuclear weapons. Today, Coulport is mainly used for handling Trident warheads.
Two docks are located on the shoreline at the foot of the hill. There, weapons are loaded onto Vanguard-class nuclear submarines before they go on patrol and unloaded before they return to base at nearby Faslane. An older jetty is known as the Polaris Jetty, while the newer, covered Explosive Handling Jetty (EHJ) is used for handling Trident warheads.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RNAD_Coulport
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A1Sailor said:
The Public Domain is full of fake stuff to throw people off the scent - see below. Moomba is the local expert.:encouragement:
If I were him I'd delete my posts containing the real operational details in case MOD Plod come knocking on his door.

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The new road through Glen Fruin was built to allow the EHJ to be built, on the strict understanding that it would be completely removed when construction was over. Unsurprisingly the MODs traditional "up your" approach to such promises kicked in, and the road is still there. A minor sin compared to preparation for genocide, perhaps.
 
JumbleDuck said:
The new road through Glen Fruin was built to allow the EHJ to be built, on the strict understanding that it would be completely removed when construction was over. Unsurprisingly the MODs traditional "up your" approach to such promises kicked in, and the road is still there. A minor sin compared to preparation for genocide, perhaps.
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Are you sure? I thought it was built partly for construction but also for the nuclear convoys. It remained a "non-public" road for years until MOD bowed to pressure and upgraded it so that it could be used by the public as well.

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Also known as the Haul Road:
Glen Fruin (Scottish Gaelic: Gleann Freòin) is a glen in Scotland, adjacent to Loch Lomond.
It contains the Fruin Water which flows into the loch, and a military bypass road, now the A817 road, known as the Glen Fruin Haul Road, which goes from the A82 up the glen and over the top of the hills to HMNB Clyde at Garelochhead. It was originally built along with the Garelochhead Bypass Road in order to directly link RNAD Coulport and Faslane to the A82 road in order to permit easy transportation of warheads to the naval base from the Atomic Weapons Establishment.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glen_Fruin
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Not everything in Wikipedia is correct, though.

Could the nukes be trundled through Helensburgh then taken up the steep hill in Garelochead?
 
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A1Sailor said:
I haven't a clue. Did they ever go by rail to Garelochead?
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That's an interesting possibility. However, according to Wikipedia, all servicing of Polaris missiles was done at Coulport so presumably there was must less traffic in the bangy ends than with Trident, which goes to Aldermaston or somewhere for oil changes and polishing.
 
A1Sailor said:
I think transport and servicing of the missiles and the warheads are done separately. Are the missiles not American while the warheads are British?
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Yup. The missiles come from a shared pool with the US while we own the bangy bits. I think we can only use them if the Americans let us, though.
 
Re: Two bouys NTM Clyde

scottie said:
Just received a NTM via Fairlie Yacht Club regarding this fishing boat
NORTH OF GREAT CUMBRAE ISLAND – TEMPORARY EXCLUSION ZONE
Anyone know what’s it about?
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Meanwhile - whilst the ancient sub-mariners society have their annual reunion :encouragement: - was there any further insight on the OP’s original topic of the fishing boat and the reason for the buoys off Cumbrae?
 
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dunedin said:
Meanwhile - whilst the ancient sub-mariners society have their annual reunion :encouragement: - was there any further insight on the OP’s original topic of the fishing boat and the reason for the buoys off Cumbrae?
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No. Rumours that HMS Vanguard is spending Christmas hiding on the seabed off Cumbrae have been neither confirmed nor denied by the MOD. They tend not to comment on operational matters.
However, if you give the local butchers a call they'll advise whether they delivered 20 turkeys to the location.:encouragement:
https://craftbutchers.co.uk/butcher...ISLE OF CUMBRAE&county=Argyll&region=scotland
 
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dunedin said:
Meanwhile - whilst the ancient sub-mariners society have their annual reunion :encouragement: - was there any further insight on the OP’s original topic of the fishing boat and the reason for the buoys off Cumbrae?
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No but have asked the source for information
 
Re: Two bouys NTM Clyde

It was a mine, recovered in fishing boat nets. Detonated by bomb disposal on Friday morning, but they haven’t cancelled the Notice yet
 
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