Trip from Newark to York - Can this be done in a day

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Hi All,

I am planning my first major trip from Newark to York in the next 6 weeks and I am wondering if this can be done in a day? Considering we have about 12 hours daylight at the moment at max.

Or would I be better holding up somewhere,,

Anyone with any tips for this trip. I am just in an 8m SeaRay so draft shouldn't be an issue..

Any major 'gotcha's to look out for.

I have read one or 2 narrow boat stories, but then restricted to 5 knots or so, probably doesn't figure into a cruisers capabilities.

Anyone help appreciated.

Cheers
 
What's the rush ?
Do you have the charts for the Trent and Ouse and have you planned your journey with regard to tide times?
Will you need to re-fuel?
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you will need the river navigation charts and will need to check the tide times. From Newark to Torksey is 3-4 hrs. West Stockwith lock is another hour after that and you can stop over at both places which may help you if you have to wait for tide times. West stockwith to trent falls is about 2 hrs and that is where you can start the trip up to York. I have not been upto York yet but think it is about 4 hrs from Trent Falls
 
make sure you get the tide times /heights right or the river will get you. It gets quite shallow around trent falls - especially at the top of the trent and near goole/M62 bridge on the ouse. You will need river charts - draft will be a problem at the wrong time. At low water on a spring tide its a series of puddles- Cromwell lock to trent falls is quite a way especially going against the tide - it can be six knots against you in places. From the apex to linton lock with the tide is @ 4 hours - I don't think you will have issues with the bridges in your boat. Make sure you know how to use pilotage transits as well - there are a couple and one is very important. If you haven't done it before think about staying over at weststockwith and waiting for 3/4 rising tide before setting off to go to the apex and then up the ouse.
 
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Simple answer. No you cant.

We can just do it from Torksey in the middle of summer with a day with two daylight tides to work with.

From Newark you are at least another 3 hours further upstream.

Even though your cruiser can go quicker then 5 knots you are restricted to 6 knots until you get to Gainsborough. Then the speed limit changes.

The usual method from Torksey is to take the tide down to Trent End. (We usually bank on it taking us about 2.5 hours to get from Torksey to Trent End. 1.5 hours to Gainsborough at 6 knots and then the rest on the plane), then anchor at Trent End to wait for the next tide to take you up the Ouse to Naburn.

At this time of the year the tidal locks are only working one day time tide per day.
 
Many thanks ALL for the info. I only have the Trent charts at the moment... I would be looking to depart on as close to a neap tide to go down and up (Less chance of messing it up!). The tide does show hull as being -(negative) on a spring tide.... :-(

Totally aware of the speed limit downstream until Gainsborough.

So 2 days it is! Is anchoring overnight at Trent End any good, Is there anything worth doing there or are you onboard for the duration..

Thanks again..
 
Agree with CX54WEK.

At this time of year your best option would be to go to Hull and stay overnight. You can then use the daylight tide on the following day to go up to York.

Obviously you would have to chose two days when the tides were convenient for each leg.
 
trouty12 said:
Agree with CX54WEK.

At this time of year your best option would be to go to Hull and stay overnight. You can then use the daylight tide on the following day to go up to York.

Obviously you would have to chose two days when the tides were convenient for each leg.
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I like the look of Hull Marina! Thanks again.. 2 Days sounds good to me.

Do you know where I can get the Charts online or delivered? I live 100 miles from the boat, so picking up locally is not often easy.
 
Or Keadby. Not a pretty or exciting stop over but puts you in good stead to get to York the following day.

If you get nice weather you could always spend the evening at anchor at Trent End. Not ideal if the weather kicks up though.
 
As sugggested above, it's more than a 1 day trip.

Stop over at Keadby (best location) or West Stockwith, then leave at the bottom of the tide (i.e. as late the the lockie will let you out) to go gently down to Trent Falls.
Anchor there and wait for the flood tide.
As soon as it comes, weigh anchor and go round Trent end and up the Ouse with the tide.
Don't go any faster than about 5-6 knots (you'll probably be on idle revs or just above for most of it) up the Ouse though, or you'll fall off the end of the tide and go aground.

In which case, just sit and wait and it'll catch up with you and off you go again.

Essential to have the most up to date Tidal Trent and Ouse charts from the TBA (via local chandlers) which have all the information you need.
Unless you have big air draft, you shouldn't have a problem with the bridges on the Ouse but worth checking in the chart and another reason for not leaving it too late leaving Trent end. You'll need to be on the front end of the tide rather than leaving it later, for this reason.

It gets quite twisty at Selby and you'll need to keep alert as it's narrower there and the current flows strongly.
It's not a problem but you need to be aware of it.

From memory I think it's about 6 hrs to Naburn from Trent end but I may be wrong. Again the Ouse chart tells you all you need to know on this.

Beware the floating debris / rubbish on the Ouse, particularly around the Drax area IIRC.
Gas cylinders, fridges, logs, trees, etc.

It's an interesting and enjoyable trip. Naburn, and York are nice.

EDIT: If stopping over at Keadby, remember to book in with the lock-keeper (phone number in the Trent chart) at least 24 and pref 48 hours before. Otherwise there'll be no-one there to let you through the lock.
 
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I seem to remember the last time we went it took us about four hours from Trent End to Naburn but that included picking up a tree in the props (and by tree I mean tree not branch), getting it back out again, limping along with mashed props, clouting Selby bridge with the anchor light because we were later then expected at the bridge due to knackered props, arriving later at Naburn then expected due to trashed props and the tide having turned so the last few miles took an age.

Other then that is was a great trip :D
 
Apologies if you all think I am ignoring you.. Mods have to authorise my posts as I am new.

I was looking at Keadby, as opposed to Hull (Which would make a nice evening), purely for convenience of not running to Hull and back, which would require extra planning.

Debris seems a focal point on the Ouse.. We don't get much of anything on the Trent (I did have a potato sack round the prop which was interesting!)

So the idea is to leave Keadby as late on the low tide, anchor up at Trent End and as soon as flood starts, crawl up to York?

Sounds like a plan! Thanks all and will order the ouse chart immediately..
 
Yes, it's about 4 hrs from Trent end (obviously dependant on speed and if you have to wait for bridge swings).

There are several different ways of planning the journey (stop offs, anchoring etc..) and over the years I've tried most of them. My preference is to overnight at Hull because it best suits my boat size and gives a chance to "work" the engines on the run down the Humber. With 4.5m air draft I usually need Selby and Cawood bridges swinging anyway so I delay my departure from Hull until about an hour before high water, then have a fast run up the Humber to Goole (or beyond) before slowing as the river narrows. This means I'm running with the tide for most of the journey and have plenty of water.

Lot's of different approaches but plenty of info, in the TBA charts. The bridge (VHF Ch 9) and lock (Ch 74) operatives are always helpful and its worth checking with the bridges for air draft as you approach them.
 
If you are a petrol boat you will have to factor this in there is no petrol at hull anymore there is petrol at york marina if you are a single engine it maybe worth fitting a fuel flow gauge

Ash
 
Depths downstream of Keadby in the Trent are all greater than 0.8m above chart datum. The Ouse to Goole is currently 1.2m. If deciding to go to Hull there are depths off around 0.4m at Upper Whitton light float.

All charts are available for free online at Humber.com in the excellent chart viewer section. ABP do around 800 surveys of the river per year so you need up to date charts ideally.

Once past the railway bridge above Goole stay to the South of the island. Finding the entrance to that channel is about the hardest part of the journey.

I used to do 2hrs before high water at Trent Wall and the journey is around 3.5hrs.

Return journey is more problematic though.
 
MANY THANKS! All who have given advice.. We are Petrol, so will have to be conservative I guess.. But believe that we have a big enough tank..

It looks like Keadby will be the stopping point as Hull cannot refuel us, so to go that far round wouldn't be too wise I guess.

The only slight issue is what day to go on for tides and times. This is the Tide table for Hull and based on that which day would you guys choose? I am thinking the 11th and 12th of April as the best possibility, but I might be way off with my start times!

Could anyone point me in the right direction?


Fri 27 4:59 AM GMT / 1.99 m 11:04 AM GMT / 5.99 m 5:28 PM GMT / 2.07 m 11:44 PM GMT / 5.73 m First Quarter 5:47 AM GMT 6:26 PM GMT
Sat 28 5:58 AM GMT / 2.53 m 12:11 PM GMT / 5.62 m 6:38 PM GMT / 2.42 m 5:44 AM GMT 6:28 PM GMT
Sun 29 2:03 AM BST / 5.40 m 8:14 AM BST / 2.85 m 2:30 PM BST / 5.47 m 9:03 PM BST / 2.51 m 6:42 AM BST 7:30 PM BST
Mon 30 3:24 AM BST / 5.38 m 9:39 AM BST / 2.86 m 3:43 PM BST / 5.57 m 10:20 PM BST / 2.33 m 6:39 AM BST 7:32 PM BST
Tue 31 4:29 AM BST / 5.58 m 10:47 AM BST / 2.61 m 4:42 PM BST / 5.85 m 11:16 PM BST / 2.01 m 6:37 AM BST 7:34 PM BST
April 2015

Day High
Low High
Low High Moon Sunrise Sunset
Wed 1 5:19 AM BST / 5.89 m 11:35 AM BST / 2.26 m 5:28 PM BST / 6.18 m 11:58 PM BST / 1.67 m 6:35 AM BST 7:35 PM BST
Thu 2 5:59 AM BST / 6.21 m 12:14 PM BST / 1.89 m 6:08 PM BST / 6.52 m 6:32 AM BST 7:37 PM BST
Fri 3 12:34 AM BST / 1.35 m 6:34 AM BST / 6.51 m 12:48 PM BST / 1.56 m 6:43 PM BST / 6.81 m 6:30 AM BST 7:39 PM BST
Sat 4 1:07 AM BST / 1.09 m 7:06 AM BST / 6.75 m 1:20 PM BST / 1.28 m 7:16 PM BST / 7.02 m Full Moon 6:27 AM BST 7:41 PM BST
Sun 5 1:39 AM BST / 0.90 m 7:37 AM BST / 6.92 m 1:52 PM BST / 1.09 m 7:48 PM BST / 7.15 m 6:25 AM BST 7:43 PM BST
Mon 6 2:12 AM BST / 0.82 m 8:08 AM BST / 7.00 m 2:25 PM BST / 0.99 m 8:20 PM BST / 7.19 m 6:23 AM BST 7:45 PM BST
Tue 7 2:44 AM BST / 0.83 m 8:38 AM BST / 7.00 m 2:58 PM BST / 0.98 m 8:52 PM BST / 7.13 m 6:20 AM BST 7:46 PM BST
Wed 8 3:18 AM BST / 0.96 m 9:10 AM BST / 6.91 m 3:33 PM BST / 1.07 m 9:27 PM BST / 6.97 m 6:18 AM BST 7:48 PM BST
Thu 9 3:54 AM BST / 1.18 m 9:45 AM BST / 6.75 m 4:11 PM BST / 1.24 m 10:06 PM BST / 6.72 m 6:15 AM BST 7:50 PM BST
Fri 10 4:34 AM BST / 1.48 m 10:24 AM BST / 6.52 m 4:55 PM BST / 1.47 m 10:52 PM BST / 6.41 m 6:13 AM BST 7:52 PM BST
Sat 11 5:20 AM BST / 1.82 m 11:12 AM BST / 6.24 m 5:46 PM BST / 1.72 m 11:49 PM BST / 6.07 m 6:11 AM BST 7:54 PM BST
Sun 12 6:16 AM BST / 2.15 m 12:14 PM BST / 5.98 m 6:50 PM BST / 1.93 m Last Quarter 6:08 AM BST 7:56 PM BST
Mon 13 1:04 AM BST / 5.84 m 7:26 AM BST / 2.37 m 1:32 PM BST / 5.87 m 8:08 PM BST / 1.96 m 6:06 AM BST 7:58 PM BST
 
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How long have you got to do the trip?

Refueling is going to be your biggest problem. There isn't even a petrol station in Keadby.

Your only fuel stop on the trip to get fuel waterside is York Marina, you need to make sure you can get there on one tank!

How big is your tank and how much fuel does your boat use?
 
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