Trimarans tipping over like skittles.

Fr J Hackett said:
Isn't the issue of them burying their nose in the back of a wave as they hurtle off the one behind it due to their speed. Something I wondered about when looking at Dragonfly tris when they came up in a thread.
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May be.

I pitch poled my Hobie FX One quite a few times with the enormous gennaker up in a decent bit of wind. It is fun and exhilarating doing 20 knots on that, and considerably wetter from those wave piercing hulls than a windsurfer. Those hulls go through the waves whereas a windsurfer goes over them.

I never called anybody out to pick me up.

I righted it myself.
I certainly would not cross oceans on a Hobie cat. Though there is a mad man who did.

You need to learn how to do it. The first couple of times it immediately blew over again before I had a chance to get on it. And if you have it facing the wrong way, you do not have enough leverage to get it up against the wind on the trampoline.
 
Mark-1 said:
If the repairs are done in the UK or Europe the C32 will have finished before the Risk Assement, Tax and HR forms have been completed to begin the rebuild of a Tri. :(

...and "Outside Assistance."
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Well actual one of the Ultims broke a rudder - it diverted to La Trinite overnight, replaced the rudder and waited for the minimum stopover time, rejoined the race …. and is already ahead of the entire fleet of foil assisted IMOCA 60’s who don’t hang around. The fast 40s are probably days behind already.
The Ultims look to be crossing the entire Bay of Biscay in under a day.
 
westernman said:
May be.

I pitch poled my Hobie FX One quite a few times with the enormous gennaker up in a decent bit of wind. It is fun and exhilarating doing 20 knots on that, and considerably wetter from those wave piercing hulls than a windsurfer. Those hulls go through the waves whereas a windsurfer goes over them.

I never called anybody out to pick me up.

I righted it myself.
I certainly would not cross oceans on a Hobie cat. Though there is a mad man who did.

You need to learn how to do it. The first couple of times it immediately blew over again before I had a chance to get on it. And if you have it facing the wrong way, you do not have enough leverage to get it up against the wind on the trampoline.
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A very long time ago I was on holiday in Thailand and hired a hobie cat at least I think that's what it was, went like stink until it didn't they had to come out and right it a few times 😁 First and last time on anything with more than 1 hull.
 
Mark-1 said:
I saw several 35kt gusts in Southampton Water yesterday. Given that, I'm pretty sure someone around there will have seen a 40kt gust. Plenty of families out sailing. 0 CG rescues. (I checked BrambleMet but it's knackered.)

I appreciate the water stands up alarmingly in the LR channel (I have my own horror stories) but boats and crews expected to cross the Atlantic as their primary task ought to be able to shrug that off. And if we're going to say the problems are all in the first days this side of the Atlantic then just delay the start to local conditions the boats can handle. And if the start can't be delayed and suitable boats can't be constructed then have race provided vessels to deal with the inevitable capsizes.

Unless, of course they do a deal with the rescue guys to provide rescue cover, in which case good luck to them. Or maybe the rescue guys like doing it for the practice. Again fine.

At the moment it appears that ocean going professional boats are requiring dinghy levels of rescue cover from emergency services in wind that families in Centaurs are going to Cowes for lunch in. And yes the seas state will be off the scale different to the Solent but the boats, crew and rescue cover ought to be off the scale different too!
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Lake Solento. Pussycat.
 
Stemar said:
Maybe talk to the crew of Coco de Mer and a few others about that. If I'm going to be out in 40-50 knots (heaven forbid - I've done it once, and have no desire to do it again), I'd rather be mid-channel with bigger but longer waves than in a Solent chop gone mad.
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I'm sure these boats would have been *way* better off on the 'proper' sea than in the LR channel where seas are famously steep and tall. I suspect most of us have out horror stories from gales in the LR channel, I certainly do. 😬

Even if they'd all made it, was it really faster for them to go through there? 🤷‍♂️
 
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Stemar said:
Maybe talk to the crew of Coco de Mer and a few others about that. If I'm going to be out in 40-50 knots (heaven forbid - I've done it once, and have no desire to do it again), I'd rather be mid-channel with bigger but longer waves than in a Solent chop gone mad.
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I can talk to me about the times I sailed in heavy airs in the Solent....

Go blue water and you are gonna run the risk of breaking waves. I can talk to me about them, too. :censored:
 
capnsensible said:
I can talk to me about the times I sailed in heavy airs in the Solent....

Go blue water and you are gonna run the risk of breaking waves. I can talk to me about them, too. :censored:
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Oooooh. A willy waving contest! Excellent, we haven't had one of them in ages!

This one time, when I was crossing the great northern ocean, I came across a wave so big that it blotted out the sun. Which of course wasn't shining because this was at night which made it much more frightening. But the wave, which was taller than Big Ben, and so steep that it was actually vertical, was perfectly illuminated in the light of my trusty pocket torch. Just before it crashed into the boat I turned to my trusty dog, Steve, who was helming, and said "well, looks like this is it pup."
The next thing I knew I woke up in bright sunlight, lying on the cockpit floor on a completely calm ocean, the storm sails hanging limp and Steve was waiting calmly for me to wake with a fish in his mouth that we fried up for Breakfast.

Good times.*

*might be fiction.
 
flaming said:
Oooooh. A willy waving contest! Excellent, we haven't had one of them in ages!

This one time, when I was crossing the great northern ocean, I came across a wave so big that it blotted out the sun. Which of course wasn't shining because this was at night which made it much more frightening. But the wave, which was taller than Big Ben, and so steep that it was actually vertical, was perfectly illuminated in the light of my trusty pocket torch. Just before it crashed into the boat I turned to my trusty dog, Steve, who was helming, and said "well, looks like this is it pup."
The next thing I knew I woke up in bright sunlight, lying on the cockpit floor on a completely calm ocean, the storm sails hanging limp and Steve was waiting calmly for me to wake with a fish in his mouth that we fried up for Breakfast.

Good times.*

*might be fiction.
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You may need a short lay down....
 
flaming said:
…the wave, which was taller than Big Ben…
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Aha!!! Ultimate pedantry incoming…

Did you know that Big Ben is actually the name of the largest bell in The Elizabeth Tower - the actual name of clock building you refer to. Your wave was puny!

Hmm. I really must get out more.
 
fredrussell said:
Aha!!! Ultimate pedantry incoming…

Did you know that Big Ben is actually the name of the largest bell in The Elizabeth Tower - the actual name of clock building you refer to. Your wave was puny!

Hmm. I really must get out more.
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Yes, but the bell is mounted very high off the ground. Thus it's grammatically correct to use it as a measure of height.
 
Chiara’s slave said:
I’ve done 50kn of wind in a tri, in the channel. It wasn’t any fun.
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I've left Cherbourg in a monohull when it was blowing 55kts at ChiMet and it was one of the best sails of my life. But there was no dog, just my twin bro and I.

We didn't see 55kts I'm sure, but it was a proper gale with a whole day of non-stop surfing action.

(We asked Steve to come with us but he said it wasn't windy enough for him.)
 
flaming said:
Just maybe try to do so without the air of smug superiority? Just a thought...
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Surprising how some people infer things from three words.

I imagine that anyone who has sailed in the Solent knows there is vvrtually no swell as is found offshore and shelter can be found from any wind direction.

I believe that you know all of this very well and for some reason, you have opted to post off track.

Completely up to you, of course.
 
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